User talk:Atama

Barnstar

		The Barnstar of Good Humor
		Suppose LMAO Rico 17:00, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

That may be my proudest barnstar received, thank you very much. :) -- Atama頭 17:03, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. I'm still laughin'. I'm so gonna plagiarize you. -- Rico 01:38, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

		The Article Rescue Barnstar
		This Barnstar is for saving many articles, including the Daniel Breaker article I made, from deletion JDDJS (talk) 16:55, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, and you've done a fantastic job of improving Daniel Breaker since it was previously proposed for deletion. :) -- Atama頭 16:57, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

SFeraKon

This one took me totally by surprise; I've known about it for decades, but didn't have it on my watchlist since I had nothing to add. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:29, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

I really thought about the deletion before doing it. I found nothing in news and little we could use in a regular Google search, but Gbooks had a number of hits. The Gbooks hits looked like passing mentions, so I decided to go ahead and delete it, but I could have been wrong. Anyway, if you can expand the article that would be great. -- Atama頭 18:48, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

My Secret Page

Yes, I know that you can find it that way, I'm just hoping that people will try to find the page without cheating. Anyone who actually cares enough to find it won't just do that, they'll actually look. Not saying you don't care, I know it was by accident. Anyhoo, here you go. :) User:Hi878/Right Secret Page Hi878 (talk) 03:23, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

CPUSH

[1] Was this edit unwise in the current circumstances? Regards, Justin the Evil Scotsman talk 17:15, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Outing or socking

[2] This account self-identified then later started using a sock. Instead of accusing me of outing, don't you think that you might should be investigating why this account is being duplicitous? Cla68 (talk) 01:22, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

As Orlady pointed out, the Bill Hufman account stopped editing articles about the same time that Tallmagic was created. Not everything was by-the-book according to WP:SOCK, but there was nothing breaking WP:ILLEGIT, and in fact per WP:SOCK#LEGIT the extra account was being used to preserve his privacy. Now, I very much suggest that you drop this, as you've been warned multiple times about this harrassment from more than one editor. -- Atama頭 05:07, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Atama, I really appreciate your assistance and consideration. I also appreciate your suggestions. Although I consider Cla68's actions as ill conceived at best and as bordering on evil at worst. Regards, TallMagic (talk) 19:59, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

(To Atama) The "real name" account has not stopped editing. It is still as recently as 26 March 2010, attempting to control the content in the Derek Smart article. As has been pointed out already, an attack website on Derek Smart listed an owner by the same name. Something isn't right here and I would appreciate your help in getting to the bottom of this instead of threatening to block the editor that is looking into it. Cla68 (talk) 22:47, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Atama, Cla68 is still continuing his harassment. see [3][4][5] I believe that this person has been warned plenty of times. Yet they still continue. Please let me know if I should instead post these continued attempts at wp:OUTING on the admin noticeboard. Thank you, TallMagic (talk) 22:55, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

(To TallMagic) If you start a post at ANI, please let me know. Thank you. Cla68 (talk) 23:22, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

If you do start one, you're required to let Cla86 know (noticeboard rules).

Cla86, I'll start with the COI complaint. Let's put everything else aside here (the outing, sockpuppetry accusations, etc.) and get to the original complaint. If an editor runs an off-wiki page devoted to a particular topic they may not necessarily have a conflict of interest. Let's say that I run a fan web site for the movie Tremors (I don't, if you're wondering). But let's say for the sake of argument that I do. Just because I have a particular interest in the film, and I'm a fan of it, that doesn't give me a COI. The reason is that our conflict of interest concerns are in regards to what connections an editor has to a subject. If I was Kevin Bacon in real life (I swear to you I'm not), I might have too much of a connection to the film to be objective in its edits. If I was just a big fan, though, that interest alone isn't enough to have a COI. It goes the other way as well, if I ran a web site called tremorssucks.com and edited the article, that wouldn't be a COI unless I tried linking to my site as a reference (because I'm directly tied to the site I ran). WP:COI#Close relationships is a good guide for how to judge whether or not a person is too "close" to the subject.

Based on that, I don't think that TallMagic would have a COI here. If TallMagic were to start referencing web sites he was running that exposed diploma mills, that would be a COI and based on how such links were used and how frequently, I might be tempted to warn him about spam and even block if he persisted in linking. In that case, the spam itself is a greater concern than the COI, but the COI certainly would make the matter worse. I don't see any indications of that. A person working on articles that reflect a real-life interest is not only allowed, but expected. Two of the articles I've edited most heavily, World of Warcraft and iPhone, are articles I became involved with because I have played the former and owned the latter, and I have an interest in those topics. I don't feel that gives me a COI, it only gives me an incentive to try to improve and maintain the articles. On the other hand, the company I work for has an article on Wikipedia and I wouldn't go anywhere near it because that would definitely be a conflict of interest. TallMagic would fall under the same category in my eye, and as long as the edits on their own aren't a violation of our other policies and guidelines (WP:NPOV would be one to look out for) then I don't see anything actionable.

Back to the sockpuppetry claims, TallMagic, would you agree to abandon the old account? I've made the suggestion before, but I think that it would be important for you to do so. In fact, I think that it has caused enough drama here that I'd be inclined to block the account to prevent its further use. Continuing to use it from this point on might be considered an attempt to avoid scrutiny and/or deceive people per WP:ILLEGIT. I think if you abandon/retire the account, that would go a long way toward mollifying Cla86's concerns. And you really shouldn't be using that account at all at this point. Would you agree to that? -- Atama頭 23:52, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Atama, my concern is that Cla68 continues to harass me. If it is necessary for us to placate Cla68 in order for him to be held to the wp:OUTING policy then let's ask him what he requires rather than you trying to broker a deal for him. Cla68, why do you continue to harass me despite being warned multiple times by admins that it is a violation? [6][7][8][9] As well as being asked to please stop multiple times by me? What do you desire in order to stop your harassment? TallMagic (talk) 00:23, 8 April 2010 (UTC)