User talk:Badbilltucker

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Colorists

I noticed that you are adding a lot of colorists, which is great. But it would be great if you provided more information that showed their noteriety. With such little information, they may face deletion.--Esprit15d 19:47, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

It might also be a good idea to tag such articles using the {{artist-stub}} template, so that people know they are there to be filled out. -- MatthewDBA 17:59, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Agree with the above suggestions. Further, please do not create orphan pages (pages that nothing links to). Such pages are almost never found and languish and get moldy for lack of attention. Find appropriate places to link to them. Hu 18:40, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Intending to do so. Right now I am basically entering the data from the lists I have in front of me, which is all I have. By the end of the week, I should have accomplished all the entry and will be able to better cross-index the new creations with other works.

Sounds good. I suggest you also go back and format each of them well, with three single quote marks around the subject name's first mention inside the article '''like this''' so they become bolded. Where you include an external link to a web site put a header like this: == External links ==. Make internal wiki links to other articles as appropriate. Put two single quote marks around ''published titles'' to make them italicized. The suggestion above to "stub" them is good. Take a look at Wikipedia:Manual of Style for more ideas.

Doing so as we speak, actually. All the way back to the beginning. As I go through more awards, the body of the text will be longer and include any specific references to works for which the person was given the award. After all that is done, then I intend to put in all the other relevant data I can find on each of them. For what little it might be worth to any of you, these are being created because I am going to try to run on the DC message boards a survey on what are the top 100 writers, artists, characters, character teams, strips, and series in the history of the company, and I figured that this would probably be the best place to use as a reference. But, again, I am adding data list by list, and will probably not be done until the end of the week at least. At that time, I intend to review everything for the greatest possible conformity.

links to Awards Database

Hi. I see you've been adding the same link to a whole lot of comics creator pages. The details you added in the text ("He has received a Shazam Award for...", etc.) are great, but the repetitious external linking is not; external links are supposed to be to something specific to the subject of that article. This is just too general and it looks like linkspam, though I don't think you intended it that way. What I suggest is, since the number of comics award names is smaller than the number of people who win them, create articles for whichever notable awards don't already have articles, link to the awards database from those pages, and then just wikilink the award names from the artist articles. Does that make sense? ←Hob 04:30, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

I missed this note. I've started doing what you proposed already. Mikkel 07:09, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Shazam Awards

Saw that you added Shazam Awards to Richard Corben, I've written a quick stub for the award, that you can use if you add awards to other comic artists. I'll add more myself later. Welcome :) Mikkel 07:07, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Hob: Your comment is noted and its validity acknowledged. I am trying to add all the awards and nominations that someone might have received, and at this point I'm not entirely sure of all the awards anyone might have won. I am using the main page right now because it will be able to link to all the awards which might be mentioned. Later, for those who have only had one kind of award, I expect to make a more direct link.

Non-notable artists?

I see you are creating a lot of stubs regarding comic artists. Are they notable? Being nominated for an obscure award doesn't make it so, they may be nominated as Articles for Deletion is notability is not given in the article. Ifnord 18:20, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Basically, most probably are, depending on how one defines "notable". What I am doing initially is putting in all of the individuals nominated for these awards, and then later will include what specific works they produced for which they are most notable. However, as the list I am working with right now is just the names of awards finalists and winners, it will probably not be until next week that at the earliest that I will be able to "flesh out" the entries. If they are deleted thereafter, I would have no objections.

• Doug Potter, Terry LeBan, Doug Gray, David Boswell,... all have the same entry. That they were nominated. Winners are something alltogether different, but that there were so many nominated tend to dilute the worth. Ifnord 18:25, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

You clearly have a point. However, generally being considered one of the five finalists is considered an achievement as well. Again, in these particular awards, no specific works are cited for which the nominations were received. However, for those which do name specific works in the nominations, it would be of more value. I am adding the awards from the lists as I find them, and really don't know in each case what the later nominations are, and what if any works are cited. After I finish putting them in, I will probably be better able to determine that with input from the rest of you. Once they've been completed, by definition here, I would have no objections to anyone doing any degree of editing to them.

Suggestions on your award entries.

Good work adding award information. A few suggestions:

1. Make the name of awards a wiki link. Thus Shazam Award, Harvey Award, Squiddy Award. It's a good citation (Since you can usually get to the official site for the award through the Wikipedia page) and useful for people unfamiliar with the award in question.

2. You're submitting a lot of overly complex sentences, in part because it appears you've adding thing piecemeal. You end up with long sentences and repeated use of pronouns far distanced from the subject (admittedly, the subject of the article). It would be nice if you could work to clean them up as you add more data. For example, over eight or so edits you submitted the following for Sergio Aragonés:

His work has won him several awards, including the 1973, 1974, and 1976 National Cartoonists Society Award for Best Humor Comic Book, the 1986 National Cartoonists Society Award for Best Comic Book, the Shazam Award for Best Inker (Humor Division) in 1972 for his work on Mad, and the Shazam Award for Best Humor Story in 1972 for "The Poster Plague" from House of Mystery #202 (with Steve Skeates). He won the Harvey Special Award for Humor in 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1995, 1997, 1998, 1999, and 2001. He was also nominated for the Rec.Arts.Comics. "Squiddy" Favorite Artist Award for the 1980s and 1990, the R.A.C. "Squiddy" Award for favorite Comics Penciller in 1995, 1996, 1997, and 1998, the R.A.C. "Squiddy" Award for Best Comics Inker in 1999, and the R.A.C. "Squiddy" Award for Comics Cover Artist in 1996 and 1998.

I editted it down to the following. It's briefer, doesn't repeat award names, replaces a few pronouns with the actual name, and doesn't have really long sentences.

Aragonés's work has won him several awards. Aragonés has been awarded repeatedly by the National Cartoonists Society, with awards in 1973, 1974, and 1976 for Best Humor Comic Book, and in 1986 for Best Comic Book. He has won Shazam Awards for Best Inker (Humor Division) in 1972 for his work on Mad, and for Best Humor Story in 1972 for "The Poster Plague" from House of Mystery #202 (with Steve Skeates). He won the Harvey Award Special Award for Humor in 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1995, 1997, 1998, 1999, and 2001. Aragonés has been nominated for and awarded a number of rec.arts.comics Squiddy Awards, including Favorite Artist in the 1980s and 1990, Comics Penciller in 1995, 1996, 1997, and 1998, Best Comics Inker in 1999, and Comics Cover Artist in 1996 and 1998.

Alan De Smet | Talk 21:42, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

You're right about the data having been entered in large part piecemeal. It is my intention to add as many as I can, and then work to edit them so that they more conform to a reasonable standard. One of the problems I have, and I would welcome any response here, is that the groups which hand out the awards often change the wording of the name of the award from one year to the next, maybe dropping the word "Favorite" or changing it to "Best" or something of that kind. Personally, it seems to me that it would be best to use the exact wording for the award title that the group itself does, and that definitely adds to the apparent redundancy. I am personally not at all aware of the protocols for such things here, however, and would welcome any response.

too many Comic Book Awards Almanac links!

I don't know if you misunderstood my earlier comment, but I feel pretty strongly against your addition of the same external link to dozens of comic book articles, and I'm going to start taking most of those links out now. Such a general link is no better than putting a link to the home page of the Internet Movie Database in every movie article - or putting a link to Microsoft Encarta on every one of our articles that relied on any information from Encarta - or putting a link to Google on every page, because Google is such a helpful resource. Sure, there is some relevant information to be found in there somewhere, but that's just not what the links section is for.

The suggestion by me and others of making the award titles into wiki links, like Squiddy Award, was meant to eliminate the need for those other links. If a reader wants to find a reference for who won all the Squiddy Awards, that page has a relevant link. (And, in that case, it's a link that is specific to that award; the Awards Almanac site can't possibly be a more authoritative reference than the Squiddy's own site!)

Also... could you please clarify whether you have some personal connection with the Almanac site? ←Hob 18:44, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

As I have stated, not all of the awards have yet to be entered in. In seems to me that in the cases when an individual book has been nominated for more than one "family" of award, it would make most sense to have just one link to all of the awards, rather than specific links to the individual page of each award. As there are a very large number of such awards, I am not yet certain as to which titles, creators, etc., are included on the lists of multiple awards. It has always been my intention to revise the final listings upon completion of the awards for those which have only been nominated for one "family" of awards. However, you are free to do so on your own.

And, no, I have no formal connection to the site. Like I said, I intend to revise those entries which have only received nominations for one kind of award later. I just haven't yet put them all down, so I can't know just yet which entries those would be. (Above unsigned comment was by User:Badbilltucker. Please sign comments as explained at the top of this very page.)

Also note: Having seen the staggering number of edits you made in the last week, I strongly recommend that you put your current project on hold (since I presume there's no reason this information all has to be entered into WP right now) until you've read the WP policies more carefully and requested advice from more editors on this linking thing. If others agree with my complaints above, that is a huge number of links that you, or someone, will end up having to take out one by one, and you're adding to that number very rapidly. You're also creating a large amount of work for someone by adding dozens of stub articles that don't have a stub tag, and in most cases don't even have simple information like the author (such as this one]). It's not polite to junk up the encyclopedia with lots of poorly thought-out edits simply because you have the intention to improve them at some point in the future. By rushing ahead like this, you risk giving the impression of being more interested in promoting this one website than in adding useful content to WP. (I apologize for the cranky tone of these notes - but I'm a little put off by the way you've been breezily charging ahead despite not having read some basic WP guidelines.) ←Hob 19:07, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

A final suggestion: If you want more input on what would be the most useful way to add this kind of information to comics articles, try asking questions on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics. Many editors hang out there and most of them are not as cranky as me. ←Hob 19:19, 28 December 2005 (UTC)