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:::[[Image:Gnome-face-smirk.svg|30px]]<td> <p>I have noticed the same, I also find the patronizing language like "if you don't like <u>our</u> rules", "<u>we</u> are not going to...." etc pretty strange as well. The "fringe" allegation by IP is also not valid, if it does the whole idea of Khalistan is fringe and should not exist on wikipedia (obviously not true). Just like Khalistan article exists and is notable, so are the council of Khalistan and their statements. The IP either does not have enough understanding of Sikh history and other issues related to Punjab or is refusing to use the understanding. Googling keywords and adding them to wikipedia is obviously detrimental to the quality of wikipedia and I find people doeing that on many article (sigh!). Whatever it may be, I feel s/he is trying the wrong key. I did not look into the details of IP and Satanoid being the same, they may or may not be the same, I don't have enough information yet. Regardless, none of Satanoid's argument make any sense and editor is involved in flaming; I suggest neglecting Satanoid's flaming comments. The IP claims s/he did not like that a good/contructive editor was driven away (most probably in regard to Enzuru, but failing to note its was Enzuru's personal decision), so there could be a personal touch as well (which may compromise neutrality). --'''[[User:Roadahead|<em style="font-family:pristina;color:;font-size:16px">Road</em><em style="font-family:pristina;color:goldenrod;font-size:16px">Ahead</em>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:Roadahead|<em style="color:">=Discuss=</em>]]</sup> 01:11, 17 December 2008 (UTC)</p></td>
:::[[Image:Gnome-face-smirk.svg|30px]]<td> <p>I have noticed the same, I also find the patronizing language like "if you don't like <u>our</u> rules", "<u>we</u> are not going to...." etc pretty strange as well. The "fringe" allegation by IP is also not valid, if it does the whole idea of Khalistan is fringe and should not exist on wikipedia (obviously not true). Just like Khalistan article exists and is notable, so are the council of Khalistan and their statements. The IP either does not have enough understanding of Sikh history and other issues related to Punjab or is refusing to use the understanding. Googling keywords and adding them to wikipedia is obviously detrimental to the quality of wikipedia and I find people doeing that on many article (sigh!). Whatever it may be, I feel s/he is trying the wrong key. I did not look into the details of IP and Satanoid being the same, they may or may not be the same, I don't have enough information yet. Regardless, none of Satanoid's argument make any sense and editor is involved in flaming; I suggest neglecting Satanoid's flaming comments. The IP claims s/he did not like that a good/contructive editor was driven away (most probably in regard to Enzuru, but failing to note its was Enzuru's personal decision), so there could be a personal touch as well (which may compromise neutrality). --'''[[User:Roadahead|<em style="font-family:pristina;color:;font-size:16px">Road</em><em style="font-family:pristina;color:goldenrod;font-size:16px">Ahead</em>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:Roadahead|<em style="color:">=Discuss=</em>]]</sup> 01:11, 17 December 2008 (UTC)</p></td>
::::Hmmm [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikh_terrorism Sikh Terrorism] again?--[[User:Sikh-history|Sikh-history]] ([[User talk:Sikh-history|talk]]) 15:25, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
::::Hmmm [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikh_terrorism Sikh Terrorism] again?--[[User:Sikh-history|Sikh-history]] ([[User talk:Sikh-history|talk]]) 15:25, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

== December 2008 ==
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Welcome!

Here are some cookies to welcome you! :D

Welcome to Wikipedia, Roadahead! I am NAHID, and have been editing Wikipedia for quite some time. I just wanted to say hi and welcome you to Wikipedia! If you have any questions, feel free to leave me a message on my talk page or by typing {{helpme}} at the bottom of this page. I love to help new users, so don't be afraid to leave a message! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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NAHID 07:25, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I can't find a the article cited to in the Sun Herald. The link you gave just goes to their main page. Can you provide a link to the main article? JoshuaZ (talk) 00:47, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, I saved the article a few weeks back but now it seems to have been overwritten by some thing else. Try this - search in the title in google and then instead of going directly to the link, go to "cached" version. I'm currently in the process of reading the book and once I have more information and time, this entry will be expanded. If you search for the title of the book, you can find some more information. Cheers! Roadahead (talk) 00:54, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The RfC you filed has been closed. You may read the conclusion there. Wizardman 14:47, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the note. I think this user is now banned indefinitely here. I'm surprised to see the list of sockpuppet accounts that he was using. Regards, --RoadAhead Discuss 22:27, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hkelkar has a unique modus operandi. The accounts in that category display that MO and also belong to IPs from the Texas area, where Hkelkar lives. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 21:10, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's not that difficult when you think about it. If you have access to many computers (as he would, since he attends university), then it would be no challenge to create many sockpuppet accounts. Personally, I prefer to apply Occam's razor to these situations. If an account pushes the same POV, comes from the same area, and edits from the IP range (roughly speaking), I feel it is safe to say that one person is behind both accounts. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 04:14, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You just reverted as "vandalism" a user who blanked his own userpage. If you notice, it appears that his account had been compromised, and because of that he had been blocked.

Agreeably, he should have archived and not blanked, but it is his own userpage, and he is not a vandal for blanking it. -t BMW c- 16:38, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My bad; apologies. I see that he already noted that and reverted me. --RoadAhead Discuss 16:39, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

Please pay your kind attention to article Sikh Extremism written by User Talk: Satanoid alias His Biography alias User talk:90.192.59.43 (his previous IP) alias User Talk: 90.196.3.37 alias User Talk: 90.196.3.246. His past and new acts have been duly documented by several editors on User Talk: Master of Puppets in several sections. This respected user with extremist ediology was blocked several times.--Singh6 (talk) 08:24, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He had tried getting permission from User Talk: Master of Puppets to create this article and instead he has received a warning with heading "Hi Again". He has come up with this account after getting numerous warnings to his three IPs, i.e. 90.196.3.37, 90.196.3.246 and 90.192.59.43.

Sikh Extremism means using an abusive word for an entire religion which is definitely a POV article. I strongly believe that this POV article should be deleted.--Singh6 (talk) 08:24, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Even Admin User talk:DJ Clayworth has called this article an Insult to Wikipedia.--Singh6 (talk) 09:17, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But he changed his mind didnt he ?? Satanoid (talk) 19:32, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Editor, Thanks for your kind attention to POV article Sikh extremism. Just for curiosity, why I do not see link "Email this user", under Heading "toolbox" on left hand side of this (your talk) page, is there something you need to fix ? You can see "Email this user" in my talk page. If you simply want to see how it work prior to enabling it, then you can try emailing me as well :)--Singh6 (talk) 06:14, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Editor, I have been looking at some of the references used on the Sikh Extremism article. To say most if not all are a bit dodgy is an understatement. I think a closer analysis needs to made. One of the things that made me chuckle was linking the Behzti incident to terrorism.--Sikh-history (talk) 08:23, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

AfD nomination of Sikh extremism

An article that you have been involved in editing, Sikh extremism, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sikh extremism. Thank you. Singh6 (talk) 08:44, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Request For Rollback

Hi. If fulfilled your request. Please remember that rollback should only be used for removing obvious and simple vandalism, or for reverting your own comments when there is no benefit in an enhanced edit summary. In other situations it is best to use another methos of removing edits. If rollback is misused it can be easily removed by any admin. If you need any help please ask me or see WP:RBK for more. I noted your fairly recent block for edit warring. Please DO NOT use the rollback tool in content disputes or it will be removed. Pedro :  Chat  07:56, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, noted. --RoadAhead =Discuss= 06:24, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I didn't remove info from those quotes in the article. I suspect the quotes were lost earlier; perhaps removed by another editor. --vi5in[talk]

NP, I have not pointed out anybody specifically in my notes on the talkpage of the article. --RoadAhead =Discuss= 06:27, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Disrespectful Comments by Satanoid

Hi, I am very annoyed about the comments made by Satanoid about Guru Gobind Singh children, see here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Enzuru&diff=prev&oldid=254812699. What further action can be taken against Satanoid? --Sikh-history (talk) 13:24, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that this comment from Satanoid is highly uncivil and obnoxious behavior. Perhaps, it should be clear to the greater Wikipedia community now that the intentions of this editor are pursuing of hatred and propaganda on Wikipedia. One can file RFC on this user by using the supportive data. Here is what I filed earlier on a similar conduct by a user account "Goingoveredege" which came out to be a sockpuppet of Hkelkar. Regards, --RoadAhead =Discuss= 22:44, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Can you help me file this? --Sikh-history (talk) 23:56, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pidhu The Great

Whats wrong with Pidhu The Great ? He seems like a nice friendly jolly chap to me ??? Incidentally if you think he's a good stand up comedian as I'm sure you do, I'd be more than happy to welcome you in contributing some info on this great guy, thanks Satanoid (talk) 21:33, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Roadahead hate agenda

I noticed you wiped out the whole article on Mahraz Darshan Das Jee and forgot to mention he was also assassinated by terrorists in 1987. I can dig out the murder of this man from News archives if you like, but at least let it have its place in history it rightly deserves and not be wiped out as his life was Satanoid (talk) 22:09, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You are deliberately creating hate and confusion, note that this is the only edit from me so far on this article. Can you show how this edit is wiping out article? However, thanks for bringing this to my notice as this content which you have now input is a blatant copy violation from this site. Had not removed it before, but will have to remove it now due to copy violation. Thanks, --RoadAhead =Discuss= 22:19, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pidhu The Great

First of all, Pidhu is supposed to be a comedian, I'm not. He also happens to be a follower of Guru Nanak like yourself, which explains his head apparel ?

Secondly I'm not a racist, I have to say I have noticed sikh extremists play the race card against white people accused of being racist during the Behzti affair when all they are arguing about is the freedom of speech or the democratic rights of civilians or even the issue of religious terrorism. These issues do exist, its no point brushing these things under the carpet.

On the subject of Darshan Das, the humanitarian peace campaigner who was assassinated by Sikh terrorists, again by deleting masses of information about him only accentuates your religious insecurities. Satanoid (talk) 14:00, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Finally don't threaten me. OK Satanoid (talk) 14:00, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Satanoid please stop this hate agenda and accusing others of hatred. --Sikh-history (talk) 17:41, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Satanoid , reminding of wikiquette is not equivalent to threatening. Please keep your gibberish upto yourself and stop playing hate propaganda on wikipedia. The warning I put on your talkpage for your uncivil religious and personal attacks is indeed enough as you have been informed earlier of your personal attacks. Please refrain from such behaviour; the recurrence of this will only earn you a ban. Now that you have been reminded; could you stop feigning ignorance about your personal attacks? --RoadAhead =Discuss= 07:24, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

1. You keep repeating 'personal attacks' like admins are going to beleive it only to ignore your demands to get the article deleted. 2. I have been called an extremist by (how shall I describe them? Pro-Extremist perhaps ?) pot-kettle-black ! 3. Kindly stop vandalizing the article just because you wanted it deleted. 4. Give a straight answer to Enzuru & Vivin Satanoid (talk) 06:36, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Satanoid, stop trolling! Here and here you have attacked other editors by cracking insulting joke and calling them "extremists". This is where you were informed about your uncivil behavior and you were given another/final warning about your personal attacks but you still continued here. --RoadAhead =Discuss= 06:50, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RfD nomination of Wikipedia:CHERRY

I have nominated Wikipedia:CHERRY (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) for discussion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshellsOtter chirpsHELP) 02:43, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion of Wikipedia:CHERRY

A tag has been placed on Wikipedia:CHERRY, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:

it is a useless redirect. Pointless as well to redirect from the Wikipedia namespace into the main space

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not meet basic Wikipedia criteria may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as an appropriate article, and if you can indicate why the subject of this article is appropriate, you may contest the tagging. To do this, add {{hangon}} on the top of the page and leave a note on [[Talk:Wikipedia:CHERRY|the article's talk page]] explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm its subject's notability under the guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. -- IRP 14:38, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Checkuser

Hi. I've recently saw that you believe Bhridnwalde is a sockpuppet of another user. If you believe this, then please perform a checkuser on both the suspected sockpuppet and original account to see if your suspicians are true. If they are, then report him to the admin. Deavenger (talk) 15:29, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

H!! I don't have checkuser privileges. --RoadAhead =Discuss= 18:50, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I know. There's a page in which you can request someone to do the checkuser for you. Wikipedia:Requests for Checkuser Deavenger (talk) 20:06, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Style of editing at Sikh Extremism

I thank you for your edits, and ask that you be a bit kinder in your application of them.

I must tell you that your style here is somewhat opaque and really rather insulting. I would encourage you to simply say what you mean instead of using potentially-insulting things like "PoV statement?". How does it help? Simply flagging it with [citation needed] is good, and simple. If an editor doesn't understand that you don't see a source for the statement, they aren't going to be helped by "PoV statement?", and since this is an emotional issue, a bit of extra kindness may (or may not) go a long way.

Also... I quickly and easily found a source for one... a simple Google showed me where it was listed.

In another spot, you killed a sentence that seems to be clearly supported by the source.

Please, please, focus on the content, rather than on the thoughts and intentions of the editors.

Please, rather than flagging so very many things in this article that you clearly care about, fix them? And I don't mean just kill them. If someone puts in an interpretation, please consider finding someone who has a different one, and including and citing that. If someone is misconstruing, please reword. Simply flagging something you are already quite familiar with will make other editors feel you are using us as your personal web-search/typing service. (that would be me)

Thank you again, and thank you in advance for your future work. sinneed (talk) 04:36, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, accept my apologies if that sounded insulting. I generally try to put a comment in the tag to express the specificity of the issue and I wasn't sure if the claim by that statement had a source that's why there was a "?" at the end of "POV statement" comment hidden in the tag. Also, I feel that NPS Aulakh in that claim is talking about the funds coming for outside for support of "Punjab Insurgency". I'll once again go through all those sources when I get time. Further, I did not choose to remove the miscontrued content because from my previous experience I've found that often led to edit-warring. No I do not want anybody to be my personal web-search/typing service. Cheers! --RoadAhead =Discuss= 05:50, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I must tell you that I perceive your edits as edit-warring with user:Satanoid. I encourage you to simply STOP killing sources, and leave them in. Then to fix the content, not by killing it, but by adding to it. And please, use the talk page before killing sources? I know, I killed 2 (and I stand by the killing), but I did not realize the sheer intensity of emotion from multiple (or possibly multiple) editors. In my frustration on trying to pick through the debris of the edit war to restore deleted content, I wondered if there might only be 1 other editor besides my self, using multiple accounts.sinneed (talk) 01:56, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Only 1 editor? Roadahead, Sikh-history, Satanoid, and myself are the same person? Lions and tigers and bears! Oh my! 67.194.202.113 (talk) 02:33, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, after I recovered from the intense headache trying to edit through an edit war (it feels like e-bullets are flying past my head) I thought: noh wai! sinneed (talk) 03:13, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
..what? --RoadAhead =Discuss= 04:09, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Question

Is English your native language? 67.194.202.113 (talk) 08:02, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Dr Gopal Singh

Is it me, or do some of these people not have a clue as to who Dr Gopal Singh, and how weight, what he writes carries? --Sikh-history (talk) 17:01, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The folks are unwilling to understand the issue. Dr. Gopal Singh is certainly more reliable and notable than Mr. Kapur on the Khalistan issue. I have been stating repetitively about the notability of the individuals from Council of Khalistan (P. S. Ajrawat and G. S. Aulakh) but anon is beating around the bush trying a wrong key. If the issue was of not using Ajrawat's own web (which I feel can be used to state what he says), that has been solved by bringing in the documents from Congressional Records. --RoadAhead =Discuss= 17:37, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well The IP seems to dodge my arguments as he has here about holocaust. I annihilated, everyone of his arguments that stated that because the Khalistan site had called the Delhi Riots a holocaust, it was a "fringe source", however when I showed him the other sites referring to incidents like Trilokpuri as a holocaust, he started to get defensive and change tact. I am convinced him and Satanoid are the same. One is tapping in from a University computer and the other from home to cover their IP tracks. They never post at the same time.Ironically, I have been a vehement anti-Khalistani, but I find myself in an odd situation defending it, against people who would use every tact to mis-inform. Ireally hate having bad faith against anyone.--Sikh-history (talk) 23:29, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have noticed the same, I also find the patronizing language like "if you don't like our rules", "we are not going to...." etc pretty strange as well. The "fringe" allegation by IP is also not valid, if it does the whole idea of Khalistan is fringe and should not exist on wikipedia (obviously not true). Just like Khalistan article exists and is notable, so are the council of Khalistan and their statements. The IP either does not have enough understanding of Sikh history and other issues related to Punjab or is refusing to use the understanding. Googling keywords and adding them to wikipedia is obviously detrimental to the quality of wikipedia and I find people doeing that on many article (sigh!). Whatever it may be, I feel s/he is trying the wrong key. I did not look into the details of IP and Satanoid being the same, they may or may not be the same, I don't have enough information yet. Regardless, none of Satanoid's argument make any sense and editor is involved in flaming; I suggest neglecting Satanoid's flaming comments. The IP claims s/he did not like that a good/contructive editor was driven away (most probably in regard to Enzuru, but failing to note its was Enzuru's personal decision), so there could be a personal touch as well (which may compromise neutrality). --RoadAhead =Discuss= 01:11, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm Sikh Terrorism again?--Sikh-history (talk) 15:25, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

December 2008

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to make constructive contributions to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Dow Jones Industrial Average, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Jonathan321 (talk) 02:32, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]