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Hi. I notice that you [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Swiftboating&curid=2523887&diff=29728551&oldid=29720794 reverted a major edit from an anon] with the edit summary "rvv". It may not have been a good edit, it may even have been pushing a POV, but it did not meet the [[Wikipedia:Vandalism|Wikipedia definition of vandalism]]. I'm not suggesting that the revert wasn't appropriate, only that the edit summary is questionable. I'd like to ask you to consider being a little less hasty in what you label "v". Thanks for considering it. [[User:Jkelly|Jkelly]] 21:35, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
Hi. I notice that you [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Swiftboating&curid=2523887&diff=29728551&oldid=29720794 reverted a major edit from an anon] with the edit summary "rvv". It may not have been a good edit, it may even have been pushing a POV, but it did not meet the [[Wikipedia:Vandalism|Wikipedia definition of vandalism]]. I'm not suggesting that the revert wasn't appropriate, only that the edit summary is questionable. I'd like to ask you to consider being a little less hasty in what you label "v". Thanks for considering it. [[User:Jkelly|Jkelly]] 21:35, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
:In fact, the only reason I know about that article is because it was mentioned on one of the Admin Noticeboards here as having been linked to by some websites, and was then extensively vandalised. It's no mystery to me why you would assume that some more anon editing would be reasonably called vandalism. There have certainly been times when I have encountered rabid POV-pushing and been tempted to ignore [[WP:AGF]] and [[WP:BITE]], but there is some chance that one or more of these anons might, if they have a good experience of Wikipedia and are helpfully taught how to make useful contributions, become an asset to the community. In any case, this is almost certainly entirely too much conversation about a minor detail, and thanks for considering it and responding to me. Good luck with your editing. [[User:Jkelly|Jkelly]] 22:04, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

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Monday May 13th 06:12

Rules and William M. Connolley

Hi TDC, there is a debate whether the rules and decisions of Wikipedia should also apply to William M. Connolley, or whether he should be placed above them. See [1] if you're interested. All the best, --Lumidek 00:28, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]


Edit warring

I'm going to block you for disruption again if you don't stop edit warring on a number of articles. This is the only warning you'll get, as you have been warned many times before and you know it's unacceptable. --Tony SidawayTalk 17:20, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Its one article, and I am not the only one who is having issues with the anon. Do you have any other ideas on how to resolve this, because I am not going to let this slide. TDC 21:44, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Also, can you honestly say that my version of the article is not more NPOV and better written? [2] TDC 21:57, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

If you're not the only person who has issues with the anon, and your version is better, then it follows that if you stop reverting the anon's stuff someone else will do so. This will enable you all to show this anon that there is a consensus against his wording. As it is all you're doing is pointlessly ping ponging between his version and yours. I'll not hesitate to block if you keep it up. --Tony SidawayTalk 22:34, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Tony, with all due respect, have you seen the edit history? Every editor who tries to work on the article gives up after a few weeks. TDC 01:20, 6 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I object to your allegation that all I have been doing is running around reverting articles the past several weeks. I have a finite amount of time to spend here on Wikipedia. I am going for my MBA, work a full time job, have a family, and just bought an older home that needs about 500 hours of rehab work (well, not really, but I am a bit of a perfectionist and it will be picturesque Victorian when I am done). My time constraints mean that if one article needs all my time, ala WSI, and I have little time to contribute to others, than so be it. TDC 19:14, 8 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

If you got a minute

Attack on Venona sources again:Wikipedia:Categories for deletion#Category:Soviet spies to Category:Alleged Soviet spies. Thanks. nobs 01:38, 8 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Submitted to arbitration

The site Winter Soldier Investigation and both your behavior and anons have been submitted to arbitration. Anon's immature behavior today was the straw that broke the camels back Travb 03:00, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

My behavior? Tell me, who deleted every addition to the article you made today?
Against my better judgement, but out of courtesy, which I promised to Duk before, I wanted to mention that I mentioned your name again on my talk page. Travb 02:31, 11 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]


Nice convincing rewrite on the arbitration page. Three cheers. Travb 03:26, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Re: TDC Arbitration

Just curious about the specifics of the Arbitration case.

  1. How long does this take?
    As long as is required. One to three months is typical for an Arbitration case.
  2. Is the decision making process public or private?
    Both. There are several subpages of each arbitration request page which are public and which contain public discussion. Arbitrators may also discuss cases in private on the Arbitration mailing list, via IRC, or by such other means as the Arbitrators see fit. The actual voting will be reflected in on the "Proposed decision" subpage. These pages will be created if and when the case is opened.
  3. How much input will I have during this process to defend myself?
    You will be (as is any editor) permitted to submit evidence on the "Evidence" subpage and make proposals on the "Workshop" subpage. You may also contribute on any of the relevant talk pages.

Thank you. TDC 01:49, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I hope this information is of some use to you. Kelly Martin (talk) 03:34, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

Thanks for your help at Category:Soviet spies. Let me know if I can ever be of assistance. nobs 18:26, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

My talk page

Hey TDC, I noticed that you added back what you had written before on my talk page. Rest assured, I read it, and decided to pop it in my archive already. [3] Sometimes when I go to my talk page, I don't want the contention with other users staring me in the face, so I archived your comment.

You are welcome, of course, to put that same archived message on Stevertigo's talk page too.

I did not respond, because I am familar with what you have written. I can relate with what you said to the anon on the Talk:Winter Soldier Investigation page: that you did not want "a never ending debate". That is why I did not comment, I don't want to be dragged into "a never ending debate" too.

I have heard your arguments before, as you have heard mine, commented on your arguments at length before, and it is now it is ultimately up to arbitration committee to decide, in due course, the merits of your position. Travb 01:13, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

(LATER) I let Stevertigo know[4], as I try to do with most everyone I mention since another user told me this is proper wiki-courtesy. Travb 01:21, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Let me know if you need anything, Always willing to help.--MONGO 01:47, 19 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Arbitration accepted

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Winter Soldier has been accepted. Please place evidence at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Winter Soldier/Evidence. You may make proposals and comments at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Winter Soldier/Workshop. Fred Bauder 20:42, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

MONGO RfA

I appreciate your support on my RfA. They promoted me and I'll do the best I can to make sure you know that you made the right choice. Let me know if there is anything I can do for you. My talk page is always there and I have email of course. Thanks again man.--MONGO 08:41, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

TDC

What's going on with TDC ? Why is he back I think he was banned for life ? Ericd 22:35, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

HA! You wish. TDC 23:11, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Classic Rock

Hello. I was wondering if you would like to participate in my classic rock survey. I'm trying to find the most liked classic rock song. There is more information on my user page. Hope you participate! RENTASTRAWBERRY FOR LET? röck 02:47, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Editing my comments

I am appealed that you apparently now deleted a whole section, already created by Travb without my authorisation, on Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Winter Soldier/Evidence, where I was explaining how your reference to what I said was incorrect, while keeping the reference that you now know is flatly wrong.

I will now restore this section, and I formally warn you that if I see the slightest tempering with my words without my express consent ever again, I will take the most rigorous actions. Rama 07:09, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Slow down there chief. The only reason I removed it was because YOU said that I do not approve of its creation without me being even notified. Since the heading clearly says Evidence presented by User:Rama, and since it was not presented by YOU, I thought I would remove it. And what actions are you going to take if I "tamper" with your words? Is that some kind of petty threat? Things get taken out of context all the time, and considering my knowledge of French is rudimentary, in the context of your remarks, its easy to see how I could have misinterpreted it. I really don’t appreciate all of your special attention to me. You have been unfairly targeting me with sanctions for legitimate actions I have take, and I am getting quite fed up with it. TDC 14:28, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
How very considerate of you. Too bad that you forgot to remove your then deliberate misquotation of me, not to mention the fact that I could get things done myself if I wanted to. You would be well-advised to stop taking me for an idiot, you are doing yourself no good in the precess. Rama 15:12, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Deliberate misquotation of you, I already told you that my translation of what you wrote was apparently not accurate. My comments on the subject still remain the same; This is little more than a digital lynching of an unpopular editor. But if singling me out makes you feel like you are doing your job as an admin, then more power to you I suppose. TDC 15:29, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
You flatter yourself with inciting much more interest than you actually do, I am afraid. For what I care, you are free to insult the Arbitration commitee in any way you see fit, though I doubt that this will help you much. However, I would be grateful if you could refrain from suggesting that I said the thing, especially when you know perfectly well, now having read my point, that I did not. Rama 15:35, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Flatter myself? Are you going to sit there and tell me you don’t watch my contributions and as my anointed minder follow me around to content and POV disputes I have been involved in? And when exactly did I insult the Arbitration committee? Please be specific because you seem to be doing the same thing you accused me of a moment ago, namely deliberate misrepresenting my actions or words. And for the last time, read the contribution again, MY TRANSLATION WAS NOT ACCURATE, I REMOVED IT FROM THE PAGE AFTER YOU POINTED THIS OUT, AND WHEN HAVE I EVER REPEATED IT
I have better things to do with my time than interacting with you, absolutely.
Regarding your claim, the revision of Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Winter Soldier/Evidence after you removed the section [5] still contains the words "I find it completely unfair that Travb has gone on a fishing expedition to find users that I have had disputes with in the past to turn this into what User:Rama called a lynching. [52].", but not my denial, which I believe wrongfully leaves the impression that I distrust the Arbitration process. As a matter of fact, I have a complete confidence in the Arbitration. Were you not aware that you had left the offending line ? Rama 15:52, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I was unaware that it was still in my comment section. If you look at the workshop section, which was place there just yesterday, you comments were not included in any shape or form [6]TDC 16:08, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Consider this a formal warning to knock it off and not mis-leadingly quote people.
James F. (talk) 15:36, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Your Swiftboating edit

Hi. I notice that you reverted a major edit from an anon with the edit summary "rvv". It may not have been a good edit, it may even have been pushing a POV, but it did not meet the Wikipedia definition of vandalism. I'm not suggesting that the revert wasn't appropriate, only that the edit summary is questionable. I'd like to ask you to consider being a little less hasty in what you label "v". Thanks for considering it. Jkelly 21:35, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, the only reason I know about that article is because it was mentioned on one of the Admin Noticeboards here as having been linked to by some websites, and was then extensively vandalised. It's no mystery to me why you would assume that some more anon editing would be reasonably called vandalism. There have certainly been times when I have encountered rabid POV-pushing and been tempted to ignore WP:AGF and WP:BITE, but there is some chance that one or more of these anons might, if they have a good experience of Wikipedia and are helpfully taught how to make useful contributions, become an asset to the community. In any case, this is almost certainly entirely too much conversation about a minor detail, and thanks for considering it and responding to me. Good luck with your editing. Jkelly 22:04, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]