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====[[List_of_relationships_with_age_disparity]]====
The List survived a vote for deletion, but someone deleted it anyway. It was a heated discussion, so someone may have become overzealous. All the links to it still exist in other articles. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] 13:16, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of relationships with age disparity (2nd nomination)|2nd (slightly more recent) AfD here]], where, just bean-counting, there does seem to be a consensus to delete. The second one did start only just over a week after the first ended though. Maybe they remembered to pay the "Inclusionist Wikipedians group" a kickback the second time around. --[[User:W.marsh|W.marsh]] 13:20, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
*'''Endorse deletion''', it wasn't "just deleted", it was AFDed and deleted. It looks like the AFD was conducted properly too (unlike the first AFD which was subjected to mass spamming of Inclusionists by the DRV submitter [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]]). Anyway, I don't see any reason to overturn this AFD on the grounds of process and there's no new information. - [[User:Motor|Motor]] ([[User talk:Motor|talk)]] 13:47, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
*'''Comment:''' I've notified [[User:Proto|Proto]] of this DRV. --[[User:Deathphoenix|Deathphoenix]] [[User_talk:Deathphoenix|'''ʕ''']] 13:52, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
*'''Comment:''' Having closed [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of relationships with age disparity|the first AfD]] (after someone else did, so I reverted myself), I think I'll just make a comment. I thought that spamming inclusionists to get this kept was extremely tacky. I didn't care either way whether this article is kept or deleted, but what I wanted to see was a real consensus for this article. The second AfD was nominated very soon after the first one, but it's not so bad for a "No consensus" AfD. --[[User:Deathphoenix|Deathphoenix]] [[User_talk:Deathphoenix|'''ʕ''']] 13:52, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
*'''Endorse deletion'''. Valid per process and per policy. Disparity of five to ten years? Perfectly normal in my parent's generation (1960s). This list would potentially cover vast numbers of "slebrity" second marriages. [[User Talk:JzG|Just zis <span style="border: 1px; border-style:solid; padding:0px 2px 2px 2px; color:white; background-color:darkblue; font-weight:bold">Guy</span> you know?]] 19:43, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
*'''Endorse deletion'''. Conforms to process and consensus. --[[User:Avillia|<font color="#228B22">Avillia</font>]] [[User_talk:Avillia|<sup><font color="#228B22">(Avillia me!)</font></sup>]] 15:05, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
*'''Speedy endorse deletion''', improper DRV request, there was nothing out of process in the deletion. [[User:Zoe]]|[[User talk:Zoe|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 21:49, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - as closer, I looked at the consensus, which was way obviously to delete. Therefore I deleted it. '''Speedy close''' if possible, as nothing out of process, or even questionable. Unlinke some of my other closes which make it to DRV, I didn't even have to assess the quality of comment or reasoning. [[User:Proto|<span style="text-decoration:none">Proto</span>]]<I><B>/</B>/</I><B>/</B><small>[[User_talk:Proto|<span style="text-decoration:none">type</span>]]</small> 15:25, 10 July 2006 (UTC)


====[[Vokzal]]====
====[[Vokzal]]====

Revision as of 18:17, 16 July 2006

8 July 2006

Vokzal

Deletion out of process. User:Mikkalai deleted the article with its edit history and immedietely re-created it as a redirect (although, wrong). The deleted article's edit histery contained an informative version which should not be deleted without discussion. Besides, the article is necessary for describe Russian railroad transport features in numerous articles.--Nixer 09:07, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • comment I have notified User:Mikkalai of this DRV. --W.marsh 13:14, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Restored. It is an ordinary Russian word that happen to have several translations. Railway station, bus station, riverboat station. If a user wants to describe Russian rairoad transport, they better write an article Railway stations in Russia. We don't create article magazin, gazeta (wow! who would have known there is one), khleb, kolbasa, palto, obschezhitiye, etc., to describe shops, newspapers, bread, sausage, coat, dormitory, although all these things have Russian peculiarities not found elsewhere in the world. `'mikka (t) 16:26, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • The legend of how vokzal came to be the Russian word for station is one of my favourite urban legends. It's undoubtedly encyclopaedic, but seems to be adequately covered where it is. So endorse status quo, a reidrect to Vauxhall. Just zis Guy you know? 17:51, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Nixer's article (I undeleted the history) is nowehere close to encyclopedic. "usually contains waiting room, cargo safe chamber, cafeteria, mother and child room and other facilities" there is nothing particularly Russian: almost every reasonably large railway station in the world has this. `'mikka (t) 18:07, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • List on AfD: Let the voters have a crack at this. To me, it looks like a general dictdef, which is a violation, but let's let the folks decide. If it passes there, fine. If it doesn't, fine. (It hasn't had a shot on AfD, has it?) Dictdefs are not candidates for SD, so it has to go through the slower channel. Geogre 18:32, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why? Mikka is right: the deleted article was completely generic and actually less informative than the redirect. Just zis Guy you know? 19:49, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • I agree with you, but this was contested. I think the end result will be deletion, which would effectively mean a redirect instead (as anyone can take that action), but we might as well satisfy the objectors so that they know that it isn't some Rouge thing. The user wants to see it get considered? Fine. We'll let him or her see what happens when it is considered, as I doubt it will be kind. Still, we could be wrong. Geogre 22:02, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • The redirect into Vauxhall is not relevant. Better it should be redirected to Rail terminal rather then a borough of London.--Nixer 23:57, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
        • There is no english word vokzal, so redirect to "train station" or "rail terminal" or whatever is utterly confusing. My redirect to vauxhall article at least puts the word into English context. `'mikka (t) 02:22, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The word is used in numerous articles about Russian rail transport. So when a person follows the link, he expects the description connected to rail transport, but what does he see? An article about London's borough.--Nixer 09:50, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep deleted. The content of the article consisted of folk etymology and original research so typical for User:Nixer. Vokzal is the Russian word for train station, hence my redirect to that article was justified. This is English Wiki, so please use English. There is no characteristic by which Russian train stations differ from train stations in other countries so as to warrant a separate entry. A slightly different case is kurzal which may deserve an article for itself. --Ghirla -трёп- 21:20, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Russian vokzals differ from other Russial train stations, so it shoul be described.--Nixer 23:59, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • This "popular etimology" is by linguist Lev Uspenskiy--Nixer 00:02, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep deleted as per Ghirla. We won't make pages for each Russian word if a page in English exists... -- Grafikm (AutoGRAF) 23:24, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep deleted. KNewman 10:12, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Overturn and re-add redirect, preserving edit history. --Avillia (Avillia me!) 15:14, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Just so you know - Vokzal means a terminal station - the end of the line - an ordinary station is a stantsia Spartaz 16:05, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep deleted per Ghirla. No need for a redirect. -- JHunterJ 17:03, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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