Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/delist/Wikipe-tan full length

Wikipe-tan full length

Wikipe-tan, a moe anthropomorphization of Wikipedia.

Nothing-tan, a moe anthropomorphization of Nothingness.

Reason

Aliasing, minimal encyclopedic value, and self references to wikipedia are generally not featured

Nominator

Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs)

• Delist — Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs) 04:30, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

I managed to drop a note on the uploader's talk page over on the Japanese wiki letting that person know about the delist nom. Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs) 04:40, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

• Keep Replace with Nothing-tan. How is this not encyclopedic? It is perfect for moe anthropomorphism, and one of the few free pics we have to demonstrate the anime style. Keep keep keep! The aliasing can be easily fixed. And where did you get the idea that this is a self reference? We have an article on wikipedia don't we? So why can't we have a moe anthropomorphism of wikipedia? This would be a self reference if we let that influence our decision! --ffroth 04:53, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

I think the idea was not to feature self references. Also take a few minutes to read the objections to the original nom. Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs) 05:12, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Self-references are not an issue. Anyone who has taken the time to read WP:SELF will understand that using Wikipedia as an example is completely appropriate. Self-reference issues deals with two things, one is to make it easier to use content on another site without having to reformat it (if you say "here on WIkipedia we.." it won't make sense for other sites), and the other is possible COI when writing about Wikipedia. WP:SELF, in no way, is applicable to this image. This has been a painful misconception from day one. -- Ned Scott 23:24, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

• Delist The aliasing is a big problem. Also, I find its enc value a little shaky; it just seems like a piece of fan-art to me. CillaИ ♦ XC 19:03, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Delist Per above - the original voting was almost painful to witness in terms of the amount of ballot stuffing that went on from members of Wikiproject anime --Fir0002 21:34, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
  • I take offense to the accusation of ballot stuffing. Sure, there was a bit of pile-on in good fun, but it was the arguments, not the number of users, that mattered in that discussion. Strong arguments were provided, and it's too convenient to write all those people off as screaming anime nerds. -- Ned Scott 23:24, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Delist per all above. I remember cringing during the original nomination, it brought out every kawaii-screaming fan. --Bridgecross 15:16, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delist. This is borderline for me, because I like user-created content that is encyclopedic, but I vote Delist if only for the reason that it strikes me in some way as original research and self-referencing. It does illustrate the article, but the subject of the image is a non-notable invention of a Wikipedia user, created as a self-reference. — BRIAN0918 • 2007-10-22 17:36Z
• Strong Delist Fir0002 and Bridgecross. NyyDave 04:28, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delist: I remember the original nomination as well. This always has been a disaster, per the reasons stated above. --Hetar 23:10, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
• Strong keep Per ffroth TheOtherSiguy 23:25, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
• Replace with Nothing-tan It seems a shame to loose user-created attractive images like this one from FP status. This version has no Wiki-affiliation and is therefore not a meta reference. It is slightly downsampled, so aliasing is no longer a problem. As for its encyclopedic value, it could not illustrate moe anthropomorphism any more, but it remains highly encyclopedic for fan service and anime, or kawaii. de Bivort 03:31, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

• Awesome, replace with nothing-tan. This is actually better than wikipe-tan IMO since the no-self-reference thing was kind of touchy --ffroth 20:39, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

• Now that we have a proposed replacement, why don't we delist wikipe-tan now and let nothing-tan go through a formal FPC nom like everyone else? Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs) 22:20, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Delist without prejudice to a nomination of nothing-tan, per Jeff Dahl. Spikebrennan 00:36, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

• Delist per votes on the original nom (but I'm still waiting for all the voters from some wikiproject who have never been seen on FPC before or since who voted en masse to get this promoted originally to now reappear and vote to keep it). --jjron 10:13, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

• Comment per WP:VOTE#Deletion, moving and featuring - it shouldn't matter how many 'wanted/unwanted' voters show up, decision is only decided on the strength of their arguments. (so 'per user xxx' votes don't have an impact either) Ninja neko 13:27, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

• This may be raised as an argument 'in theory'; in practice it is rarely (if ever) put into effect, and certainly not when there are large numbers of votes for/against (the only occasional exceptions are things that are found to be scientifically inaccurate for example, and even that's no guarantee). Incidentally the 'per user xxx' votes are usually perfectly acceptable and do have an impact (why repeat the same point if you're just going to say it in different words?). ----jjron 13:56, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

• Delist Wikipe-tan, find a better name for Nothing-tan and propose it for featured picture. John Carter 13:34, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
  • I'm partial to Non-tan myself. —Quasirandom 14:34, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
• Comment Not quite sure why in the world it should be delisted, unless one of the criteria is that it must be on aritcles -- AND on the article(s) it was on it's replaced with the Nothing-tan. I don't quite see the issue with self-ref in this case, for a VERY simple reason - since HOW THE PIC IS USED is unrelated to it being on Wikipedia. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 15:29, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
• Nobody gives a shit outside of this website. The Wikipedia featured pictures list is not considered a place to find images of "encyclopedic value," nor do I see anyone crying about the self-reference on magazines or journals of literary merit. On the contrary, this picture was used to illustrate stuff in various publications. The featured pictures list assists in finding pictures like this one. I feel sorry for the guy who spent hours making this picture and other versions of it, only to have people bump it around because OZOOOMGMGMGGGZZZ IT'S A REFERENCE TO WIKIPEDIA THAT'S TOATALLLY UPROFESSIONAL GET IT AWAY. I bet even Editor & Publisher publishes articles referencing itself. Get it into your heads that you are not running an art critique magazine and these pedantic standards for featured pictures are not helping people who just want to find good pictures. In short, get a life. 春日様、すみません。ヲタクたちの口論はやめられません。Shii (tock) 18:51, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Try to keep it civil. You can get your point across without attacking others, and if you can't, then it doesn't really belong in this discussion. --84.90.46.116 20:51, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
• Keep listed 1, self references do not apply to images such as this. For the love of god, people, actually take the time to read WP:SELF. 2, "minimal encyclopedic value" is a load of crap. Right now Wikipe-tan is not only an excellent representation of anime style, the concept of "moe", and a few other examples we have of her, but is one of the only free images we have for such articles. 3, Aliasing, an easy fix. One could literally re-size the image and this would be corrected and it would still be large enough to be considered an FP. -- Ned Scott 23:04, 25 October 2007 (UTC)