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The book fails WP:Notability (books). No reviews, no awards. The purpose of this article seems to be a veild attack at BLP subject Marek Jan Chodakiewicz, and most of the article focus is not even about a book but about a controversial interview/lecture by said subject. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:13, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Poland-related deletion discussions. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:13, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 06:24, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 06:24, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I wrote this. Wikipedia:Notability (books) tells that if a "book has been the subject[1] of two or more non-trivial[2] published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself" it is notable. The book, or the lecture of author of the book on the book with the same title of the book, has been the subject of intense media coverage in Poland:
Onet.pl: Largest news portal in Poland. August: [1], [2]. September: [3].

OKO.press: investigative journalism. August: [4], September: [5].

Gazeta Wyborcza: [6] Poland's best newspaper, saying in September that "Marek Jan Chodakiewicz (born in 1962 in Warsaw) became famous in July last year with a lecture on "Civilization of Death" during meetings "History Stop" at the Center. Janusz Kurtyka.".

Coverage in gazeta.pl: [7], one of the leading news sources.

Warsaw Gazeta: [8].

Fair Observer: [9], scholar Alicja Rybkowska writes about this in October.

NaTemeat.pl: [10] extensive coverage.

Intertia.pl: [11] extensive coverage.

gazetagazeta.pl: [12], largest Canadian-Polish newspaper. Editor in chief writes item on this.

All of these are in the article. Media for right-wing also been covering this. Najwyższy Czas! ran several pieces: [13], [14], [15], [16]. This book and the lecture on the book, has made a significant impact. AstuteRed (talk) 06:45, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Pretty much all of them are not about a book but about a controversial lecture. Anyway, WP:NOTNEWS. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:26, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The lecture was on the book and to promote the sales of the book. The controversy of the book and lecture is same. Busy summer on gay rights in Poland we had, but this event and book stood out. AstuteRed (talk) 07:47, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, scandal quite obviously notable, but the article on the book might not be the best place for the content which as Piotrus notes is mainly about the lecture. Possibly merge to the author's article, or re-purpose as some "Controversy of...." article. Renata (talk) 15:55, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The lecture isn't separate from book. This is maybe most clear in media of right-wing that promoted the book and the event. See invitation to lecture on the book, including book sale: [17]. Coverage by Najwyższy Czas! afterwards: [18] "The book "On the civilization of death" by prof. Marek J. Chodakiewicz. It enjoyed extremely high popularity. Chodakiewicz became the # 1 enemy of the left, who attacked his family with fake news. In the absolute best seller this summer, prof. Chodakiewicz reveals the truth about LGBT. The book "On the Civilization of Death", in which he comprehensively describes the history of the sodomice movements and the dangers associated with them, received wide coverage." Then big picture of book coverage, and then "Recently, to the lecture advertising the book by prof. Even Gazeta Wyborcza referred to Chodakiewicz, describing on its website, more shocking progressives, fragments of the meeting.". The outrageous lecture described and promoted book. AstuteRed (talk) 17:52, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Having now edited both this article and the relevant section at the BLP's, I've come to the conclusion that a separate article from the BLP's is merited. Why? The book in its own right is unimportant; it's importance stems solely from that of its author. Marek Jan Chodakiewicz is the "chief historian" of the Polish right wing - a smart, thorough intellectual, a professor at a (supposedly) prestigious institution in the US, companion of Donald Trump, defender of the NSZ, an ideologue of a new Poland... and completely fucking nuts. If that doesn't merit a separate article, I don't know what does. François Robere (talk) 01:02, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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 *'''Keep''', scandal quite obviously notable, but the article on the book might not be the best place for the content which as Piotrus notes is mainly about the lecture. Possibly '''merge''' to the author's article, or re-purpose as some "Controversy of...." article. [[User:Renata3|Renata]] ([[User talk:Renata3|talk]]) 15:55, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
 *: The lecture isn't separate from book. This is maybe most clear in media of right-wing that promoted the book and the event. See invitation to lecture on the book, including book sale: [https://nczas.com/2019/07/29/juz-dzisiaj-prof-chodakiewicz-w-warszawie-jak-zatrzymac-antykulture-totalitarnych-mniejszosci-wstep-wolny/]. Coverage by Najwyższy Czas! afterwards: [https://nczas.com/2019/09/19/bezpardonowe-ataki-lewactwa-na-rodzine-prof-chodakiewicza-za-obnazenie-prawdy-o-lgbt-rozsiewaja-fake-newsy-video/] "The book "On the civilization of death" by prof. Marek J. Chodakiewicz. It enjoyed extremely high popularity. Chodakiewicz became the # 1 enemy of the left, who attacked his family with fake news. In the absolute best seller this summer, prof. Chodakiewicz reveals the truth about LGBT. The book "On the Civilization of Death", in which he comprehensively describes the history of the sodomice movements and the dangers associated with them, received wide coverage." Then big picture of book coverage, and then "Recently, to the lecture advertising the book by prof. Even Gazeta Wyborcza referred to Chodakiewicz, describing on its website, more shocking progressives, fragments of the meeting.". The outrageous lecture described and promoted book. [[User:AstuteRed|AstuteRed]] ([[User talk:AstuteRed|talk]]) 17:52, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
-* '''The content should be kept'''. It's certainly notable enough for a section at [[Marek Jan Chodakiewicz]] and a mention at [[Institute of National Remembrance]]; in this article, we may want to focus on the implications of the event rather than just the event itself. [[User:François Robere|François Robere]] ([[User talk:François Robere|talk]]) 17:29, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
+* '''Keep'''. Having now edited both this article and the relevant section at the BLP's, I've come to the conclusion that a separate article from the BLP's is merited. Why? The book in its own right is unimportant; it's importance stems solely from that of its author. Marek Jan Chodakiewicz is the "chief historian" of the Polish [[right wing]] - a smart, thorough intellectual, a professor at a (supposedly) prestigious institution in the US, companion of Donald Trump, defender of the [[Narodowe Siły Zbrojne|NSZ]], an ideologue of a [[Intermarium|new Poland]]... and ''completely fucking nuts''. If that doesn't merit a separate article, I don't know what does. [[User:François Robere|François Robere]] ([[User talk:François Robere|talk]]) 01:02, 26 November 2019 (UTC)