Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elonka Dunin (3rd nomination)

Elonka Dunin

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Non notable wikipedian, COI interests but her lack of notability is what is compelling here . Thanks, SqueakBox 23:56, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:03, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

• She's notable per WP:GNG. A sufficient number of sources cover her in connection with the two cryptanalysis efforts for Kryptos and Cyrillic Projector, so it's not WP:BIO1E either. Some coverage was trivial like the one-quote mention in a CNN article, which I removed (because it just said she ran a web forum dedicated to one of the problems), but there's enough non-trivial coverage in the mainstream press: NYT, wired.com and some lesser newspapers. You'd expect that two significant efforts in cryptanalysis would be covered by some more specialized press, which would allow a higher quality article (on the two projects and her contribution), but the sources, although somewhat sensationalist, and perhaps not sufficiently knowledgeable on the topic, are sufficient by Wikipedia standards. Her crypto exercises book (2 editions with slightly different titles) appears be held at some libraries, but not at academic ones, so it's fair to say that it targets amateur cryptographers. She's no Bruce Schneier, (compare with his applied crypto book), but it does add something to her notability. I don't have an opinion on her executive career in the game industry; it seems sourced mainly from primary sources, and frankly I think detracts from the readability of the article by cluttering it with various dry lists. YMMV. VG ☎ 22:27, 4 November 2008 (UTC) This is a copy & paste of what I've previously posted on the article talk page on this issue.
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Game-related deletion discussions. -- VG ☎ 00:11, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
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• Keep Unquestionably meets GNG. I do not understand why this is being nominated for deletion rather than cleanup. Jclemens (talk) 00:19, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

I nominated it for deletion after I cleaned it up today (thoroughly familiarizing myself with the content while doing so). Thanks, SqueakBox 00:57, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

• Delete - if it weren't the fact that the person in question wasn't a high editcount admin, this would be a clear cut case of failure due to WP:BIO. However I can see that it's just going to be a personality vote unfortunately :-( Shot info (talk) 00:22, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
• Merge to amateur cryptography. While there is definitely some good content in this article, I'm simply not convinced that this article should exist as a stand-alone piece. Unquestionably, there is a place for Wikipedia to cover amateur cryptography and the subject of this article is probably notable enough to warrant detailed mention at an amateur cryptography article. However, there are other amateur cryptographers who probably deserve mention as well and we can do so in one area so as to not run into problems with WP:BLP, WP:NPOV, and WP:V. The context of this person's notability is in connection to amateur cryptography and nothing more. ScienceApologist (talk) 01:05, 5 November 2008 (UTC)