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Gang stalking, and now Gang Stalk Persecution Complex, Brighting etc.

The current content of this page is idiosyncratic, to say the least. Linked sites refer to "Electro Harassment Crimes", "directed energy weapons", and so forth. I suggest this page be deleted.

I think the following quotes are indicative of the author's POV:

Current participants brag of being above the law, and much evidence exists of complicity on the part of local fire and police departments which act as actors and anchor men of sorts when the latter are used to complete the job. The final phase is complete when the target makes the mistake of verbalising to the authorities some of the events that have transpired and are dismissed as being paranoid.

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The above free web assessment tool helps the stalking victim assess the degree of mobstalking. Also more importantly it helps to recognize a case of MultiStalking and what actions to lookout for. There is a button gangstalkpersecutioncomplex This gives a list of feelings obtained from these actions to be used for medical consultation. Another button shows HowTheGangStalkVictim feels. This gives a great analogy on how the victim feels and is perceived by others. This is important to show family and friends to see what the victim is going thru.

Apparently, the author is upset about the replacement of [1] by a redirect. -- Karada 04:17, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Votes to delete

Delete as original research although there are sources available on the Internet - it is popular on Indymedia by the look see [2]. Capitalistroadster 04:31, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Comment only: there are remarkable similiarities in the prose style and page layout of many of the web pages found by that search, and the article itself. -- Karada 04:45, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Also note that references to this article have been liberally spammed into multiple other articles: [3] (Update: much of this was by linking it in Template:Abuse -- I've now removed this link, but it will take some time for all those pages to refresh) -- Karada 04:54, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Also, lengthy similar screeds have been pasted into several other articles, for example cyberstalking, see [4], bully see [5], and so on. -- Karada 05:10, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There now seems to be a concerted effort in progress to add similar articles: see the recently-created Gang Stalk Persecution Complex, Brighting. Note the use of key phrases such as "Electro Harassment Crime." -- Karada 05:16, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Capitalistroadster. Pavel Vozenilek 05:00, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Unacceptable original research. FCYTravis 05:18, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Looks like a hoax, someone taking a few actual terms from stalking and cyberstalking and mixing them with tinfoil-hattery and what I want, for whatever reason, to label as "quease". The Literate Engineer 05:24, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per Capitalistroadster. -- Perfecto Canada 02:50, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I observe that nearly all of the keep comments are the first edits of new anon IP editors, who just happen to have turned up at the same time, with remarkably similar POVs. Many of the "keep" comments below also appear to share a similar writing style and set of idiosyncratic jargon to the posted article. Also see Electronic Harassment (anti-personnel sense), an article with very similar content (electronic mind weapons, etc). created by one of the commenters below. -- The Anome 23:30, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all of these; If this collection of beliefs becomes common enough then it can be added to one of the lists of conspiracy theories. At this point it looks like a one-man show. Tom Harrison ^(talk) 01:57, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/HUGE Rework/Delete Merge all of them into one topic. Also, most of the delete votes are unsigned and history reveals them to be by IPs in which this is their only contribution.
- Comment: we already have articles on conspiracy theories, tinfoil hats and paranoia, which seem to cover this area rather extensively. See also the works of Francis E. Dec. -- Karada 04:21, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all - original research, supported by astroturfing. Tearlach 03:47, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Votes to keep

Keep. It's true. Read Psychic Dictatorship in the U.S.A. by Alex Constantine and other books on the subject if you don't believe it is. Wake up America! (Note: the italicised text above was interpolated by another editor, and is not part of Karada's nomination)

Keep as type of cyberstalking. For an example of gang stalking, see LJ Drama/Something Awful, Cruel.com and many others. This is probably more common than individual cyber stalking and it is a misconception that cyber stalking should be treated in the same way as regular stalking, as cyber stalking is usually actually gang stalking, as this article indicates. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 07:09, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Gang stalking is a genuine tactic of harassment participated in by

many individuals targeting one sole person. All across the world, the tactics used are similar. This crime is coming to the attention of the public through the internet and publications. This is the time to insure that this covert crime is retained in the Wikipedia for reference. Delete all reference to persectution complex. This IS NOT a medically recognized diagnosis or sympomatology. R. Ross. RN

Keep - this is an excellent description and resource of a widespread phenomenon which is being conducted not only in the US - particularly Texas, California, Massachussets - but also in the NATO countries. This is being used as a method of political control which has been used for centuries by the Catholic Church, the Nazis, Ku Klux Klan and now widely associated with the "War on Terror" which seems to also be targeting citizens of countries who are opposed to political changes leading to Police State policies. Gang stalking/electronic harrassment is primarily being organized and run by retired police, firefighters, military, coast guard, and paramilitary types and is funded partly by HUD as well as black budget money probably coming from drug sales. There have been many important articles in journals, books, and websites on this activity and the best way to fight it is to expose it. Gang stalking is also widespread at University campuses - particularly the University of California where I have observed it, nuclear weapons labs (managed by the Univ. of California), and has been used against soldiers who want to leave the military or are opposed to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Interviews available on the internet with Kay Griggs describe how her husband, a US Marine Colonel developed this and other practices to use against American citizens, and she has the manual for it. This should be taken seriously and the article definitely belongs on Wikipedia as it provides an important resource to the public.

Leuren Moret - International expert on depleted uranium weaponry and radiation

Keep GANG STALKING, but DELETE GANG STALK PERSECUTION COMPLEX.

"Gang stalk persecution complex" implies people who experience gang stalking are mentally ill. That is DEFINITELY not the case, as anyone who has read the literature or experienced gang stalking knows only too well.

Anyone doubting gang stalking itself is a real phenomenon needs only to read David Lawson's book "Terrorist Stalking in America". A review, with a link to purchase the book is here:

http://www.multistalkervictims.org/terstalk.htm

Also read what Los Angeles psychotherapist Sheryll Thompson wrote while reviewing a book on stalking:

http://www.multistalkervictims.org/psystalk.htm

Also, the Toronto (Ontario) Rape Crisis Centre supports the work of the anti gang stalking organization CATCH (Citizens Against Technological and Community-based Harassment), the web site for which is here:

http://www.c-a-t-c-h.ca

For those who don't think electronic anti personnel weapons exist, see this link:

http://www.shoestringradio.net/5techs.htm

Five silent, through wall, no trace evidence electronic weapons which anyone with a bit of cash can have, not secret, do NOT require implants, and can utterly devastate your neighbour. One has been around for 30+ years, another 50 years.

Eleanor White, professional engineer, Hamilton, Ontario Canada

Gang Stalking is a Real vicious crime and exists all over the world. Brighting is a world wide tactic of Gang Stalking and a must Keep!! Gang Stalk Persecution Complex is the many real horrific human feelings caused by Gang Stalking and Brighting!! Must Keep!! So Please Keep Gang Stalking, Brighting, Gang Stalk Persecution Complex definitions and see the following URLs for reference!

http://ca.geocities.com/lnp2003@rogers.com/index.htm

http://www.stopcovertwar.com/victimnet.html

http://www.multistalkervictims.org/

http://free.dominoserver.de/culture/antivigilantestalkingsurveydiscussion.nsf

Don Russell, Adv Software Eng

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""Keep"" This stuff really happens. For example, see: http://www.mikrowellenterror.de/english/mw-weapon.htm

-- Bob Ness, journalist.

this is a real problem,just because i havent seen god i dont tell people they are crazy and need to be locked up,its the same thing i know its real because its being used against me.no i cant prove it but dont be so quick to dismiss things they may be true and mabye peoples lives are being ruined because of it.

Please keep Gang Stalk Persecution Complex From Dictionary.com There is no imaginary and no mental illness word or implied mental condition in the definition of Gang Stalk Persecution Complex

The Gang Stalk persecution changes the behavior of a person (a complex) and creates a set of feelings the victim has.

Complex - In psychology, a group of related, often repressed ideas and impulses that compel characteristic or habitual patterns of thought, feelings, and behavior.

Persecution - punishment or harassment usually of a severe nature on the basis of race, religion, or political opinion in one's country of origin

Please Keep the entry on Gang Stalking - Gang-Stalking is a real phenomenon. I should know. I am being stalked. The stalkers rely on the public perception that people who report (gang) stalking are "nutcases." The police routinely ignore this crime. People find it hard to believe that something like this could happen. That is an unjustifiable conclusion-belief. People need a more available public resource to learn about this crime. I don't care what you do about the [Gang Stalk Persecution Complex] entry, because this entry incorrectly feeds the idea that victims are mentally ill. The stalkers get a psychological "thrill" out of hurting people. Only increasing public awareness is going to stop or slow this phenomenon.

KEEP, i am a victim of gang stalking and electronic harrassment. by the grace of god ive survived this abuse for two yrs. i am stalked daily by large groups of people so when i hear of things like the deletion of this page i start to lose alittle hope that someday these life destroying crimes will ever be brought to justice. i can only speak for myself but i cant understand why anyone would want to dismiss something that so many of us Americans are claiming to be true. we are good people with familys that deserve the benifit of the doubt. please keep this page in tact. Robert R.

ɖkeep maybe change the name to group stalking(24.25.62.85 03:14, 25 December 2005 (UTC))[reply]

Very, very, week keep/merge... or something. Keep if the language can be cleaned up to be more encyclopedic, as this article family seems to be describing a group acting to coerce or threaten an individual, rather than an individual being threatened by another individual. Merge if possible into articles such as Cyber_bullying, Psychological_warfare, Stalking, Cyberstalking, Harassment_by_computer, Group_psychological_abuse, Gaslight, (etc... we do seem to have *quite* a few of these kinds of articles). Merge to a single article or title if somebody can suggest a good one. Ronabop 03:50, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Keep change name and explain more about this, as NEWBIES comming in do not fully understand what you are saying or what is really going on with this. Me i do understand. Even though the author is giving a medical term. for his or other's sake.. he/she is basically saying there isn't a madical term. for this as THE PUBLIC EYE has refused to see what is going on. And call the "victims" of this Looney or whatever the medical profession decides to term it. I do know know this happens. I am also a victim. although I am in a small town that just moved here just over a yr ago. THIS IS REAL PEOPLE> REALIZE IT! Get the word out! Help the ones who are victimized. www.groups.yahoo.com/group/cause_stalking

Keep this entry. This IS really happening in the United States today. With a government that thinks it's okay to listen to your telephone conversations and read your private e-mail as authorized by the president, why would you doubt that stalking of private citizens by more than one individual could be happening? It is very easy to simpy write the victim off as being "mentally ill" when in fact that is not the case at all. People need to wake up to what is happening in America NOW.

Keep or rework and /or move Gang Stalking.
Why is it so hard to accept that stalking does not need to be done by one person? Some people do join to make a targets life miserable. In that mission these groups use whatever methods they can come up with. The goal -destroying the targets life - is what counts.
Maybe change the name to group stalking and delete or rework the electronic stuff. Maybe rework the whole stalking subject: how many stalkers, their methods, if there is a group: how they form and how tight the group forms, their why´s for stalking and then the implications for the society.
Add the electronics to "stalking methods".

Delete Gang Stalk Persecution Complex, Brighting
These two subjects only adds weight on the targets shoulders

Christina / dolphin@drownedworld.org Please keep. Gang stalking is a real phenomenom.164.65.231.6 15:00, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP THE ARTICLE ON "GANG STALKING" AND DELETE THE ARTICLE ON "GANG STALK PERSECUTION COMPLEX," WHICH IS SEPARATELY ADDRESSED. My comments are as follows:

The practice of gang stalking, or group stalking, is widespread both in the United States and abroad. The intent is to terrorize and intimidate selected persons purportedly for "kicks." In certain venues, gang stalking is referred to as "bullying."

This type of discriminatory stalking (which appears to have a religious element) is invariably accompanied by violence. This is nothing new. One needs only recall the heydays of the Know Nothing Party in the 1840s, the events following Kristallnacht in 1938, and the lynchings which punctuated the segregationist policies of the Deep South during the early half of the 20th Century.

Persons who are gang stalked these days must also deal with violence, including but not limited to recurrent breakings and enterings, recurrent vandalism of their property, thefts, and extremely brutal harassment by electromagnetic and acoustical weapons systems.

This topic must be addressed, as it is a part of our "encyclopaedic" history and cannot be disregarded. The practice, so long as it continues unconstrained, shows holocaustic potential, which no doubt will be of interest to future generations of Wikipedia readers.

/s/ Julianne McKinney, author "Microwave Harassment and Mind Control Experimentation," as also posted on Wikipedia.

KEEP: Gang stalking is a legitimate form of social crime and has been documented and reported on over the past 50 years using other terminologies. Current nominclature is "gang stalking." It is a serious psycho-social crime similar to mob violence but executed in more skillful and controlled manner. There are victims of this type of crime all around the world who seek public awareness of this crime. The Wikipedia has been timely in it's inclusion of this problem. Unfortunately, the water became "muddied" with the addition of "persecution complex" and brighting. Your responders who appeal to you to "keep" this page all agree that the "persecution complex" and the "brighting" needs to be delete....all except for the one misguided (perhaps) person who conceived of it and entered it. Please give the victims and those who work with them the benefit of the doubt long enough for further information to be forthcoming and posted. I am aware of TV reports and books pending and already available validating this problem. It's relevence in society seems to warrant giving this at least the benefit of the doubt. Thank you. /s/ Beth, San Diego, StopHiTechVigilanteAssaults.org