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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kalki Avatar and Muhammad (book) (2nd nomination) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.134.9.152 (talk) 15:37, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kalki Avatar and Muhammad (book) (3rd nomination)

The subject still fails WP:NBOOK. Aman Kumar Goel ^(Talk) 02:32, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Literature, Islam, and India. Shellwood (talk) 07:00, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This book is significant in the debate of Indian religions that, The book has been considered by reliable sources to have made a significant contribution to ... political or religious movement, fulfills the condition. Prominent Indian evangelist Zakir Naik has been criticized for saying things that match the book's content. Furthermore Ziaur Rahman Azmi also responded to the content of this book and referred to the book. The book has been widely accepted and criticized among Muslim, Hindu and atheist debaters in Indian subcontinent.‍~ 𝕂𝕒𝕡𝕦𝕕𝕒𝕟 ℙ𝕒ş𝕒 ^{(inbox - contribs)} 13:03, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Where are the sources? There are none. Aman Kumar Goel ^(Talk) 18:35, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:36, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Aman.kumar.goel: I am not happy to see that you proposed for deletion without reading the article. Sources are added to the article itself. You can watch this video for Zakir Naik's topic. Although many have criticized him, but you can see this blog of Asif Mohiuddin, if you know Bengali language. ‍~ 𝕂𝕒𝕡𝕦𝕕𝕒𝕟 ℙ𝕒ş𝕒 ^{(inbox - contribs)} 05:12, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I heard about this book in real life during some Vedas Vs Quran debate. That said, this book's local popularity won't decide the notability. GNG requires significant coverage in reliable sources and this book lacks it. CharlesWain (talk) 10:35, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@CharlesWain Why and how? All those who have researched Islam versus Hinduism in the past and present centuries have referred to the book or its contents. Do you think the whole thing fails GNG? ‍~ 𝕂𝕒𝕡𝕦𝕕𝕒𝕟 ℙ𝕒ş𝕒 ^{(inbox - contribs)} 05:25, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously the subject fails WP:GNG because it is lacking significant coverage in reliable sources. There are a number of subjects (such as YouTube channels) that have gained popularity in local spheres but they haven't recieved significant coverage from reliable sources that are independent of the subject. CharlesWain (talk) 08:36, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@CharlesWain I don't understand which GNG you read. If a book creates a new argument that is fundamentally used in a religious debate on that topic for the next 50+ years; How is that book not notable?

And the references here include Milli Gadget articles, books by Ziaur Rahman Azmi, Afrasiab Mehdi Hashmi and two other professors. I don't understand, are you considering these as YouTube channels or have you not seen the references at all? ‍~ 𝕂𝕒𝕡𝕦𝕕𝕒𝕟 ℙ𝕒ş𝕒 ^{(inbox - contribs)} 15:50, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Well Said Kapudan Pasha. Actually Some professor like as (Abubakar Muhammad Zakaria, Ziya-ur-Rahman Azmi) widely discuss about this book in their discussion. The discussion of the book is described in many sources. -- Deloar Akram (Talk • Contribute) 11:52, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No evidence of notability. The argument for "keep" is a mere reflection of WP:MUSTBESOURCES. Dympies (talk) 04:45, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Dympies I know mustbesources policy but you may not read the article or the sources. And here I am including Milli Gazette article,^[1] Books of Ziaur Rahman Azmi^[2] and Afrasiab Mehdi Hashmi^[3] Which are added to the article itself. ‍~ 𝕂𝕒𝕡𝕦𝕕𝕒𝕟 ℙ𝕒ş𝕒 ^{(inbox - contribs)} 10:56, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Still fails WP:SIGCOV. Dympies (talk) 14:26, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Muhammad in Hindu scriptures". Milli Gazette. Archived from the original on 2019-01-07. Retrieved 2014-11-06.
^ الرحمن, أعظمى، محمد ضياء (2008). دراسات في اليهودية والمسيحية وأديان الهند والبشارات في كتب الهندوس (in Arabic). مكتبة الرشد،. pp. 703–708.
^
Malik, Dr Ahmad; Mehdi Hashmi Qureshi, Afrasiab (1 January 2022). END TIMES (What could happen in the world tomorrow). (Center for Global and Strategic Studies, Islamabad). pp. 13, 274, 275. ISBN 9789699837142. Retrieved 1 September 2022.
BOOK 'KALKI AVTAR AND MUHAMMED SAHEB' BY PUNDIT VED PRAKASH, PUBLISHED IN INDIA 453 (Opinion on the book by scholars from Malaysia) 454 Following is the Summary of the contents of the book as dealt with by Pundit Ved Prakash in the context of the Prophet of Islam:
- Hindu scriptures mention that Kalki Avtar will be the Last Messenger of Bhagwan to guide the world. This comes true in the case of Prophet Muhammed, as according to the Islamic faith Muhammad was the last Prophet sent by Allah (Bhagwan) to mankind.
In Hindu precepts, the father's name of 'Kalki Avtar' is mentioned as 'Vishnu Bhagat. 'Vishnu' stands for Allah and the literal meaning of "bhagat' is slave. The name of the father of Prophet Muhammad was Abdullah which in Arabic means the 'Slave of Allah."
- Similarly, Kalki's mother's name would be 'Somanib' which in Sanskrit means 'peace and tranquility. Prophet Muhammad's mother's name was 'Amina' which has the same meaning in Arabic language.
The Vedas mention that 'Kalki Avtar' will be born in a noble family of his land. This is true in case of Prophet Muhammed as he was born in the respected tribe of Quraish in Makkah.
- According to Hindu precepts, 'Kalki Avtar' will be taught in a cave by Bhagwan (God). The first verse of the Quran was in fact revealed to Prophet Muhammed in the cave of Hira (in Mecca.)
According to Hindu precepts. Kalki Avtar will be born in an island. Prophet Muhammad was born in Jazeeratul Arab' (the Island of Arabia). The following is the opinion about the above book by Mihlar Abdul Muthaliffa and Rosmizi Abd Rahman, Universiti Sains Islam, Malaysia: Pundit Ved Prakash, a Hindu scholar from India, claims in his book Kalki Avtar that the description of the Avtar found in the holy books of the Hindu religion, matches with Prophet Muhammad. After years of research, he published this book and less than eight other prominent Hindu scholars from India-Dr. Srivasdev, Pundit Sunderlal, Sri Pal Ram Sang Parihar, Dr. P. H. Suphe, Dr. Ramesh Prasad Kruk, Pundit Durga Shankar, Swami Amar Jyoti and Sri Kashmiri Lal Baath-have endorsed the basics of his argument as authentic. Pundit Ved Prakash has produced sound evidence from Vedas. Puranas and other sacred books of Hindu religion, in support of his claim. References: 455 Kalki Avtar and Muhammed Saheb by Dr. Ved Prakash (MA Sanskrit, D.Phil.). published by Saaraswath Vedanth Prakash Sangh (1969/70) 454 The Hindu Philosophy of Kalki Avatara from Islamic View of Nubuwwah' by Mohamed Mihlar Abdul Muthaliffa and Mohd Rosmizi Abd Rahman, Faculty of Leadership and Management, Universiti Sains Islam, Malaysia. Published in the International Journal of Academic Research in Business and Social Sciences. (Vol. 7, 2017)
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[1] "Muhammad in Hindu scriptures". Milli Gazette. Archived from the original on 2019-01-07. Retrieved 2014-11-06.

[2] الرحمن, أعظمى، محمد ضياء (2008). دراسات في اليهودية والمسيحية وأديان الهند والبشارات في كتب الهندوس (in Arabic). مكتبة الرشد،. pp. 703–708.

[3] Malik, Dr Ahmad; Mehdi Hashmi Qureshi, Afrasiab (1 January 2022). END TIMES (What could happen in the world tomorrow). (Center for Global and Strategic Studies, Islamabad). pp. 13, 274, 275. ISBN 9789699837142. Retrieved 1 September 2022. BOOK 'KALKI AVTAR AND MUHAMMED SAHEB' BY PUNDIT VED PRAKASH, PUBLISHED IN INDIA 453 (Opinion on the book by scholars from Malaysia) 454 Following is the Summary of the contents of the book as dealt with by Pundit Ved Prakash in the context of the Prophet of Islam:
Hindu scriptures mention that Kalki Avtar will be the Last Messenger of Bhagwan to guide the world. This comes true in the case of Prophet Muhammed, as according to the Islamic faith Muhammad was the last Prophet sent by Allah (Bhagwan) to mankind.
In Hindu precepts, the father's name of 'Kalki Avtar' is mentioned as 'Vishnu Bhagat. 'Vishnu' stands for Allah and the literal meaning of "bhagat' is slave. The name of the father of Prophet Muhammad was Abdullah which in Arabic means the 'Slave of Allah."
Similarly, Kalki's mother's name would be 'Somanib' which in Sanskrit means 'peace and tranquility. Prophet Muhammad's mother's name was 'Amina' which has the same meaning in Arabic language.
The Vedas mention that 'Kalki Avtar' will be born in a noble family of his land. This is true in case of Prophet Muhammed as he was born in the respected tribe of Quraish in Makkah.
According to Hindu precepts, 'Kalki Avtar' will be taught in a cave by Bhagwan (God). The first verse of the Quran was in fact revealed to Prophet Muhammed in the cave of Hira (in Mecca.)
According to Hindu precepts. Kalki Avtar will be born in an island. Prophet Muhammad was born in Jazeeratul Arab' (the Island of Arabia). The following is the opinion about the above book by Mihlar Abdul Muthaliffa and Rosmizi Abd Rahman, Universiti Sains Islam, Malaysia: Pundit Ved Prakash, a Hindu scholar from India, claims in his book Kalki Avtar that the description of the Avtar found in the holy books of the Hindu religion, matches with Prophet Muhammad. After years of research, he published this book and less than eight other prominent Hindu scholars from India-Dr. Srivasdev, Pundit Sunderlal, Sri Pal Ram Sang Parihar, Dr. P. H. Suphe, Dr. Ramesh Prasad Kruk, Pundit Durga Shankar, Swami Amar Jyoti and Sri Kashmiri Lal Baath-have endorsed the basics of his argument as authentic. Pundit Ved Prakash has produced sound evidence from Vedas. Puranas and other sacred books of Hindu religion, in support of his claim. References: 455 Kalki Avtar and Muhammed Saheb by Dr. Ved Prakash (MA Sanskrit, D.Phil.). published by Saaraswath Vedanth Prakash Sangh (1969/70) 454 The Hindu Philosophy of Kalki Avatara from Islamic View of Nubuwwah' by Mohamed Mihlar Abdul Muthaliffa and Mohd Rosmizi Abd Rahman, Faculty of Leadership and Management, Universiti Sains Islam, Malaysia. Published in the International Journal of Academic Research in Business and Social Sciences. (Vol. 7, 2017) {{cite book}}: line feed character in |quote= at position 136 (help)

[4] Hindu scriptures mention that Kalki Avtar will be the Last Messenger of Bhagwan to guide the world. This comes true in the case of Prophet Muhammed, as according to the Islamic faith Muhammad was the last Prophet sent by Allah (Bhagwan) to mankind.

[5] Similarly, Kalki's mother's name would be 'Somanib' which in Sanskrit means 'peace and tranquility. Prophet Muhammad's mother's name was 'Amina' which has the same meaning in Arabic language.

[6] According to Hindu precepts, 'Kalki Avtar' will be taught in a cave by Bhagwan (God). The first verse of the Quran was in fact revealed to Prophet Muhammed in the cave of Hira (in Mecca.)

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 * '''Keep.''' Well Said Kapudan Pasha. Actually Some professor like as ([[Abubakar Muhammad Zakaria]], [[Ziya-ur-Rahman Azmi]]) widely discuss about this book in their discussion. The discussion of the book is described in many sources. -- '''[[User:DeloarAkram|Deloar Akram]]''' ([[User talk:DeloarAkram|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DeloarAkram|Contribute]]) 11:52, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 *'''Delete''' No evidence of notability. The argument for "keep" is a mere reflection of [[WP:MUSTBESOURCES]]. [[User:Dympies|Dympies]] ([[User talk:Dympies|talk]]) 04:45, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
-*:@[[User:Dympies|Dympies]] I know mustbesources policy but you may not read the article or the sources. And here I am including [[Milli Gazette]] article,<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.milligazette.com/Archives/2005/01-15Feb05-Print-Edition/011502200574.htm|title=Muhammad in Hindu scriptures|accessdate=2014-11-06|publisher=[[Milli Gazette]]|archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20190107013447/http://www.milligazette.com/Archives/2005/01-15Feb05-Print-Edition/011502200574.htm|archivedate=2019-01-07|url-status=dead}}</ref> Books of [[Ziaur Rahman Azmi]]<ref>{{cite book|last1=الرحمن|first1=أعظمى، محمد ضياء|title=دراسات في اليهودية والمسيحية وأديان الهند والبشارات في كتب الهندوس|date=2008|publisher=مكتبة الرشد،|pages=703–708|language=ar}}</ref> and [[Afrasiab Mehdi Hashmi]]<ref>{{cite book |last1=Malik |first1=Dr Ahmad |author2-link=Afrasiab Mehdi Hashmi Qureshi |last2= Mehdi Hashmi Qureshi |first2=Afrasiab |title=END TIMES (What could happen in the world tomorrow) |date=1 January 2022 |publisher=(Center for Global and Strategic Studies, Islamabad) |pages=13, 274, 275|isbn=9789699837142 |url=https://www.academia.edu/74441913 |access-date=1 September 2022}}</ref> Which are added to the article itself. ‍~ [[User:খাত্তাব হাসান|<nowiki>𝕂𝕒𝕡𝕦𝕕𝕒𝕟 ℙ𝕒ş𝕒</nowiki>]] <sup>([[User talk:খাত্তাব হাসান|inbox]] - [[Special:Contribs/খাত্তাব হাসান|contribs]])</sup> 10:56, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
+*:@[[User:Dympies|Dympies]] I know mustbesources policy but you may not read the article or the sources. And here I am including [[Milli Gazette]] article,<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.milligazette.com/Archives/2005/01-15Feb05-Print-Edition/011502200574.htm|title=Muhammad in Hindu scriptures|accessdate=2014-11-06|publisher=[[Milli Gazette]]|archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20190107013447/http://www.milligazette.com/Archives/2005/01-15Feb05-Print-Edition/011502200574.htm|archivedate=2019-01-07|url-status=dead}}</ref> Books of [[Ziaur Rahman Azmi]]<ref>{{cite book|last1=الرحمن|first1=أعظمى، محمد ضياء|title=دراسات في اليهودية والمسيحية وأديان الهند والبشارات في كتب الهندوس|date=2008|publisher=مكتبة الرشد،|pages=703–708|language=ar}}</ref> and [[Afrasiab Mehdi Hashmi]]<ref>{{cite book |last1=Malik |first1=Dr Ahmad |author2-link=Afrasiab Mehdi Hashmi Qureshi |last2= Mehdi Hashmi Qureshi |first2=Afrasiab |title=END TIMES (What could happen in the world tomorrow) |date=1 January 2022 |publisher=(Center for Global and Strategic Studies, Islamabad) |pages=13, 274, 275|isbn=9789699837142 |url=https://www.academia.edu/74441913 |access-date=1 September 2022|quote=BOOK 'KALKI AVTAR AND MUHAMMED SAHEB' BY PUNDIT VED PRAKASH, PUBLISHED IN INDIA 453 (Opinion on the book by scholars from Malaysia) 454
+Following is the Summary of the contents of the book as dealt with by Pundit Ved Prakash in the context of the Prophet of Islam:
+* Hindu scriptures mention that Kalki Avtar will be the Last Messenger of Bhagwan to guide the world. This comes true in the case of Prophet Muhammed, as according to the Islamic faith Muhammad was the last Prophet sent by Allah (Bhagwan) to mankind.
+In Hindu precepts, the father's name of 'Kalki Avtar' is mentioned as 'Vishnu Bhagat. 'Vishnu' stands for Allah and the literal meaning of "bhagat' is slave. The name of the father of Prophet Muhammad was Abdullah which in Arabic means the 'Slave of Allah."
+* Similarly, Kalki's mother's name would be 'Somanib' which in Sanskrit means 'peace and tranquility. Prophet Muhammad's mother's name was 'Amina' which has the same meaning in Arabic language.
+The Vedas mention that 'Kalki Avtar' will be born in a noble family of his land. This is true in case of Prophet Muhammed as he was born in the respected tribe of Quraish in Makkah.
+* According to Hindu precepts, 'Kalki Avtar' will be taught in a cave by Bhagwan (God). The first verse of the Quran was in fact revealed to Prophet Muhammed in the cave of Hira (in Mecca.)
+According to Hindu precepts. Kalki Avtar will be born in an island. Prophet Muhammad was born in Jazeeratul Arab' (the Island of Arabia).
+The following is the opinion about the above book by Mihlar Abdul Muthaliffa and Rosmizi Abd Rahman, Universiti Sains Islam, Malaysia:
+Pundit Ved Prakash, a Hindu scholar from India, claims in his book Kalki Avtar that the description of the Avtar found in the holy books of the Hindu religion, matches with Prophet Muhammad. After years of research, he published this book and less than eight other prominent Hindu scholars from India-Dr. Srivasdev, Pundit Sunderlal, Sri Pal Ram Sang Parihar, Dr. P. H. Suphe, Dr. Ramesh Prasad Kruk, Pundit Durga Shankar, Swami Amar Jyoti and Sri Kashmiri Lal Baath-have endorsed the basics of his argument as authentic. Pundit Ved Prakash has produced sound evidence from Vedas. Puranas and other sacred books of Hindu religion, in support of his claim. References: 455 Kalki Avtar and Muhammed Saheb by Dr. Ved Prakash (MA Sanskrit, D.Phil.). published by Saaraswath Vedanth Prakash Sangh (1969/70) 454 The Hindu Philosophy of Kalki Avatara from Islamic View of Nubuwwah' by Mohamed Mihlar Abdul Muthaliffa and Mohd Rosmizi Abd Rahman, Faculty of Leadership and Management, Universiti Sains Islam, Malaysia. Published in the International Journal of Academic Research in Business and Social Sciences. (Vol. 7, 2017)}}</ref> Which are added to the article itself. ‍~ [[User:খাত্তাব হাসান|<nowiki>𝕂𝕒𝕡𝕦𝕕𝕒𝕟 ℙ𝕒ş𝕒</nowiki>]] <sup>([[User talk:খাত্তাব হাসান|inbox]] - [[Special:Contribs/খাত্তাব হাসান|contribs]])</sup> 10:56, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
 :::Still fails [[WP:SIGCOV]]. [[User:Dympies|Dympies]] ([[User talk:Dympies|talk]]) 14:26, 29 July 2023 (UTC)