Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of American fraudsters of Jewish descent

List of American fraudsters of Jewish descent

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I happened upon these while looking at the new pages feed, and I'm not sure about the intent behind them. I think it definitely falls under WP:INDISCRIMINATE, as rather random categories (fraudster + Jewish/Irish) - there's no connection between them (i.e. they're not fraudsters because they're Jewish/Irish, or the other way around), and the only reason I can think of to categorize them like this would be racism-intentioned synthesis (pardon the lack of good faith) which would somewhat become a WP:BLP concern. Unless that is confirmed, though, I think we should stick to the first issue. Ansh6 6 6 09:01, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There doesn't need to be an inherent connection as in List of Irish novelists. Nobody is claiming there is an inherent tendency for Irish people to be novelists. In fact many lists categorise by two informative characteristics, which have no implied causative connection eg. List of English-language Canadian game shows or List of hotels in Singapore, which are not hotels because they're in Singapore, or in Singapore because they're hotels. The connection itself is informative. Feel free to make lists for English Americans and African Americans, or Dutch South Africans (perhaps making one for all South Africans first like this for all Americans). There is no reason to delete these new ones. SpaceBobber (talk) 09:36, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per previous Afd Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Jewish American fraudsters. I'm not sure if this is a recreation of a deleted article. But it's too short to be a list (that much should be uncontroversial). There's a clear difference between doing lists by nationality and lists by ethnic group: crime topics are often covered on a nation-by-nation basis, but there's no evidence that Jewish-American fraudsters are discussed as a group in reliable sources or that the ethnicity of these people had any relation to their crimes. --Colapeninsula (talk) 09:54, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

And see also Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive821#List_of_Jewish_American_fraudsters --Colapeninsula (talk) 09:58, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete (to continue from the above)... nor that there is any particular need to distinguish between Jewish-American fraudsters and Christian-American fraudsters or any other x-American fraudsters. Why would there be any need to differentiate between criminals on the basis of religion or culture unless the suggestion is that their religion or culture caused them to be otherwise more predisposed to fraudulent behaviour than those of other cultures/religions. Their culture is irrelevant to their crime, as is the case for most of those listed at Fraud#Notable_fraudsters. Stalwart111 10:02, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure culture is irrelevant to crime. That sounds like a rather bold claim which could be easily dispelled by any number of sources. But if it's true there is nothing to fear as no group will turn out to be overrepresented. Maybe you can take a look here and see if any group is overrepresented, which would be terrible if it was the case, since there is no connection according to you. But if it is true, well then it's true, so it's win-win. In any case, I'm not suggesting anything, just making a list with two characteristics like any other. There may or may not be a connection between homosexuality and acting, but it's still interesting to have a list. BTW I see Ponzi on your list so a list of Italian Americans should be made too. Thanks. SpaceBobber (talk) 10:32, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per my comments above. SpaceBobber (talk) 10:47, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]