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List of the longest gaps between film sequels

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This list is 100% original research. There are two sources cited in the article: One is the main page for an entertainment site (which may have said something about one of the films in question at some point in the past, but I cannot find anything relevant now. (The source is cited for the note that the entry on the list apparently should not be on the list: "Despite its title, the film is not a sequel to Aashiqui, and the only similarity is that 'both are music-based romantic films'.") The other discusses the Mary Poppins sequel, but does not mention the unusually large gap.

Searching the 'net, I find several sources discussing lengthy gaps between original and sequel (TRON, Blade Runner, Star Wars, etc.), but none claiming to be THE longest gap or a list of the longest gaps.

How do we know Bambi is the champ in this category? We don't. All we know is that someone added it here and no one has proposed anything with a longer gap.

Several of the films currently listed use spin-offs, prequels, made for TV and direct to video films. Several use "unofficial" sequels, such as the Wizard of Oz where the proposed sequel is not related to the original, the the book the second is based on is a sequel to the book the first is based on. Does that make "Raise the Titanic" a sequel to "A Night to Remember"?

With no source for determining what does and does not "count", I am left to wonder why a made for TV miniseries would count but a radio play, book, etc. wouldn't. If a TV show can be a sequel for a film, why isn't "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" a sequel to the original "Star Trek"?

Bottom line: Someone was intrigued by the idea that this article represents, but the sources simply do not exist to support an article. SummerPhD^v2.0 21:52, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 22:01, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 22:02, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

• Keep Long-delayed sequels are a notable topic.[1][2][3][4][5] A list shouldn't be deleted just because the criteria are arguable or it may be hard to complete; these things can be debated or agreed through talk pages. And if you're worried about "longest" rename to "long". --Colapeninsula (talk) 10:25, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Comment - You seem to be suggesting that this should be an entirely different article. The current article claims to list the "longest" gaps: a discrete claim. The article you suggest is altogether different, as a casual look at your suggested sources confirms. Your first source, "PAJBA" seems to be a blog: no "about" page, no copyright notice. Its claim of the "longest" gaps jumps all over our list 1, 7, 32, 31, 39, 62, 115, 70...

Your second source puts "The Best Man" first on its list. Ours has it at #162. Next is #132, 136, 96, 70...

Source #3 doesn't claim to list the "longest", giving a list of 6 "long delayed" sequels.

Source #4 is the "most absurd gaps". There third gap in this list of sequels is Star War VI to Star Wars I, a sixth degree prequel.

1. 5 doesn't give a list or claims of the "longest", but is an article about the concept of sequels after decades have passed.

The three of your sources give us a hodgepodge of long delayed sequels that we would probably package in a list format to make it look like a countdown of the longest, similar to if we change List of films considered the worst into List of films that weren't good or wrote List of businesses that made a lot of money.

There might be material to write about Long delayed film sequels, if we can resist the urge to claim we have created a definitive list. To the extent that reliable sources discuss prequels, made for TV and direct to video, we can do the same. We might even find sources tying the distant cousin films. We do not, however, have a verifiable list of the top ten (or 20, or 200...) longest gaps. We also don't have objective, sourced criteria for a list of long delays. - SummerPhD^v2.0 16:14, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

• Delete: I'm sympathetic to the nom here. This is a loosey-goosey definition very badly compromised by a near-complete lack of sources. Who says that there weren't any "sequels" between Film X and film X2? Define "sequel" -- do we include films in canon? Fan films? Have foreign sources been scoured? Is a "film franchise" a unitary thing, and the sequel has to be made by the rights holder of the first film? No ... I wouldn't even consider keeping such a list without 95%+ of the entries sourced, and it's more like 5%. Nha Trang ^Allons! 19:31, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
• Delete. The whole thing is too open to WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. MarnetteD|Talk 20:45, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
• Keep Just improve sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.129.128.40 (talk) 00:23, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Comment - There don't seem to be reliable sources for a list like this. - SummerPhD^v2.0 01:14, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

• Keep All it needs is strong criteria and maybe a name change. It appears to now use 10 years as the length. What counts as a "sequel", (Note, the lead does not use the term sequel, but "consecutive installments of a film franchise".) I think the list needs to be parred down. Most of the tv shows removed. If it is film franchise, the "films" should have either had a cinematic release or was shot with the intent to have a release. As for citations, all that is needed is to prove: the two films are in a franchise, there is no other film entry between them, when they were released, and they are films. Zginder 2017-09-01T07:11:57Z

Comment - List of films produced with the intention to release them in theaters that are part of a franchise with no film in between them with a gap of 10 or more years is the reason we don't have List of United States legislators who are part of a family with a gap of 50 or more years between legislators. While we might have a source saying that Billy Smith is the first member of Congress in his family since his great-great-grandfather in 1840, we don't have sources discussing the topic. It might be worth including in the article about Billy, but we don't have sourced criteria for a list. - SummerPhD^v2.0 15:53, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

I am not proposing we use a title like that. Many lists and articles are titled slightly wrong because, it a title that will get more searches. I think something along the lines of "List of long gaps between film sequels". Notice wikt:sequel includes the usage of a prequel or other film in a franchise. Zginder 2017-09-02T02:34:13Z

The point: We do not have any sources discussing films produced with the intention to release them in theaters that are part of a franchise with no film in between them with a gap of 10 or more years. We have a handful of sources discussing "long gaps" between sequels. That their varying criteria are is not explained anywhere is not an invitation for us to create our own. - SummerPhD^v2.0 03:09, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

We only need sources for the dates of the films release, which for most of them is the same place. Zginder 2017-09-03T11:09:06Z