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Stev´nn Hall

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There are certainly sources but I do not believe that they are of sufficient quality to establish notability for a visual artist. There is nothing in the article that suggests that he passes WP:Artist either. Nor does a search throw up anything, other than evidence t TheLongTone (talk) 15:09, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. ‐‐1997kB (talk) 16:30, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. ‐‐1997kB (talk) 16:30, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. freshacconci (✉) 18:26, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

• Delete The only source that is of any use for notability is the Globe and Mail review, and that's just a short review amongst several others. Perhaps the creators.vice.com link is useful, but I can't personally verify that. The Thomas Waugh essay (google books link here) only mentions him in a screen grab and caption. The article's claim that his "satyrical short film 'Bondage Television' deserved broad commentary by the film writer Thomas Waugh in the context of masculine sexual orientation" is not backed up by the cited text itself (nor does it make much sense as a sentence -- Hall's short film deserved more "broad commentary" by "the film writer Thomas Waugh"? Or is Waugh claiming it deserves more broad commentary in general?) Either way, it doesn't seem to appear in the cited text and cannot be verified. If the original author of this Wikipedia article is making some sort of claim about what Waugh has or has not done as a scholar on behalf of Hall, that would be original research and a POV issue. Further searching turns up very little, a few mentions that only confirm Hall as an artist, but nothing that supports WP:GNG (or WP:ARTIST for that matter). freshacconci (✉) 18:24, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
• Delete Globe article is good, but it's not enough. Lacks RS to establish GNG.96.127.242.226 (talk) 23:29, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
• Delete. This is far too dependent on blogs and primary sources, and not nearly enough on reliable sources, to deem him notable — but nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to be sourced much better than this. As always, no prejudice against recreation in the future if somebody can do much better than this. Bearcat (talk) 17:10, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
• Delete per above - Can't find any evidence of notability, Fails GNG. –Davey2010^Talk 20:41, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

• Keep This source extensively talks about the artist and the artworks. The translated title is: "The photographer Stev'nn Hall portrayed the painful relationship between the conscious and the unconscious." The article writes "The mixed media artist from Toronto, Canada, Stev'nn Hall, in his series 'Against Himself' makes an atypical approach to how we relate to ourselves. It is extremely difficult to put forward the feelings we repress every day in contrast to the face we show to people close to us. However, it is not possible to deny that those feelings, impulses and intentions are there, present, all the time" and "In what seems to be an exercise in bringing the unconscious to the front, the series shows portraits of different individuals a difficult facet to play. Naked, humiliated, hanged and so on, individuals attack themselves in different ways, questioning what these signs of power made to oneself could mean." (The machine translation is not great, but I think the meaning is decipherable.) The article goes on to say in translation "On the one hand, they could refer to the unconscious impulses that we seek to tame. However, on the other side, it seems that Hall's photographs and montages speak about the complex relationship that the mind has with the body. The physical instances that compel us to put ourselves at the greatest possible risk, feel adrenaline, activate it, being pampered by a physical instantiation that stops us" and "The photographs give free rein to our relationship with our body, our mind and what we love and hate about ourselves. You can see more, below." That last reference is to the ten photographs of the artist's work that are included in this review. Definitely a substantial review. I believe the source is Vice Media. Bus stop (talk) 12:21, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Also, this extensive review addresses Hall as an artist, especially the dissimilarity as well as the connections between the two styles of work he has produced—photographs of people and photographs of landscapes/seascapes. I think this is a serious review that attempts to probe the significance of the output of the artist. Bus stop (talk) 13:05, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Also, I've added, as an external link, this 2011 interview with Stevnn' Hall which I think is worth everyone's 33 minutes. The seriousness of the artist is apparent and it is informative of the artist's concerns. Bus stop (talk) 22:32, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

• Note to closing administrator On (3:00 AM/July 19, 2018) I edited the article adding hopefully more comprehensive references and making a few text changes in an attempt to address some of the above comments. Thanks to all intervening participants for their contribution.
• Further note to closing administrator On (5:00 PM/July 20, 2018) I edited the article again, making various fixes in attention the above discussion, hoping to improve the article and its chances to be kept. Thank you. Neuralia (talk) 20:59, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
• Comment he is not listed in the CHIN (Canadian Heritage Information Network) list of "Artists in Canada", which is a pretty easy way of determining ballpark notability, by seeing if any of the contributing "Twenty-three libraries and art galleries" across Canada have a file on him. If 23 libraries and galleries do not see him as notable enough to start a file, I am not sure why we should. They do have 42,700 other artists listed.96.127.242.226 (talk) 02:13, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

"I am not sure why we should" I think we should. Sources take the artist seriously. Recognition is accorded the artist in the sources available to us. The author, RM Vaughn, focusses on three reviews in this source. The first of the three is that of Stev´nn Hall, and the headline derives from the work of Stev´nn Hall, reading "Electric skyscapes are a kick in the head". That is a reference to the two different styles in which the artist works. This is mentioned in the body of the review. One style involves human figures, in aggressive poses. The other involves landscapes, in which are sometimes found fiery skies. This is not a superficial review. It touches upon not only the significance of the work but the techniques used to bring the work about. This alone could establish notability. This source importantly includes what look to me as ten good quality photographs to represent some of the photographer's work. It characterizes him as a mixed media artist, something our article should mention. Vice Media, the publisher of this review, is a well-regarded source. This is a well-written and thoughtful review. Though not easily quantifiable, that is something we should be looking for, to establish notability. Bus stop (talk) 02:56, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

You are just repeating everything you already said in an earlier comment. Please avoid using repetition to bludgeon the discussion. 96.127.242.226 (talk) 03:49, 21 July 2018 (UTC)