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Article consists almost entirely of plot and character summary and contains no real world coverage or secondary sources. A redirect to List of villains and ghosts in Danny Phantom was reverted. Jfire (talk) 01:18, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect--what an amazing amount of words for something with no real-world notability at all. Troutslap for the reverter. Drmies (talk) 02:11, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. Although the DVD releases of the show make the references valid, the content includes a lot of assumptions rather than facts and it doesn't clarify what makes the character important in-universe either. - Mgm|^(talk) 11:00, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, then proected redirect as no sources and no real world notability. I note that no attempt was made at the talk page to discus redirecting, so i'm not suprised it was reverted. AfD is not a substitute for discusion. However, this article comes nowhere near to showing notability, and from online searched i don'tthink it ever could. List article entry is enough for anon-notable fictional characterYobmod (talk) 12:02, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. -- Hiding T 12:00, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or redirect No apparent notability or real-world information. The list of characters already has sufficient info, so no merger is necessary. – sgeureka ^t•c 13:27, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, then create protected redirect: No secondary sourcing, no independent sourcing. Nothing seems to be available. Current article violates WP:NOT#PLOT. Nothing particularly salvageable in the current version, so merge is inappropriate.—Kww(talk) 16:03, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This discussion concerning an article that currently meets the general notability guideline is apparently being used as a test case for the proposed fictional notability guideline and thus seems to be more of an experimental discussion rather than reflective of normal consensus. Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 17:30, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I can't speak for anyone else, but my reasoning was wholly based on WP:NOT#PLOT,WP:V and WP:N, not any experimental guideline.—Kww(talk) 21:07, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

While it does indeed pass all three of those and should therefore not be deleted, regardless, a closing admin should be aware that this AfD is being "advertised" elsewhere and at least a few who have commented in it are taking part in both discussions. Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 21:10, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I nominated this article because it came up the the notability backlog, not to serve as a test case. That was someone else's idea. I believe many of the above comments were made before the discussion concerning the AFD began at WP:FICT. And finally, this article currently cites only the show itself as a source, so is currently a mile from meeting the general notability guideline. I've looked for sources, other's have looked for sources -- nada. If you've got 'em, let's see them. Jfire (talk) 21:08, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The calls to redirect were indeed made before the test case discussion, but not the deletes, which were made after it was listed there. I know that you did not list it there, but regardless it has been, which means that there is a reasonable chance that that discussion will influence this discussion and vice versa. Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 21:10, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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 ::*While it does indeed pass all three of those and should therefore not be deleted, regardless, a closing admin should be aware that this AfD is being "advertised" elsewhere and at least a few who have commented in it are taking part in both discussions. Sincerely, --[[User:A Nobody|A Nobody]]<sup>''[[User talk:A Nobody|My talk]]''</sup> 21:10, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 :*I nominated this article because it came up the the [[:Category:Articles with topics of unclear notability from September 2007|notability backlog]], not to serve as a test case. That was someone else's idea. I believe many of the above comments were made before the discussion concerning the AFD began at [[WP:FICT]]. And finally, this article currently cites only the show itself as a source, so is currently a mile from meeting the general notability guideline. I've looked for sources, other's have looked for sources -- nada. If you've got 'em, let's see them. [[User:Jfire|Jfire]] ([[User talk:Jfire|talk]]) 21:08, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
-::*The calls to redirect were indeed made before the test case discussion, but not the deletes, which were made after it was listed there.  I know that you did not list it there, but regardless it has been, which means that there is a reasonable chance that that discussion will influence this discussion.  Sincerely, --[[User:A Nobody|A Nobody]]<sup>''[[User talk:A Nobody|My talk]]''</sup> 21:10, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
+::*The calls to redirect were indeed made before the test case discussion, but not the deletes, which were made after it was listed there.  I know that you did not list it there, but regardless it has been, which means that there is a reasonable chance that that discussion will influence this discussion and vice versa.  Sincerely, --[[User:A Nobody|A Nobody]]<sup>''[[User talk:A Nobody|My talk]]''</sup> 21:10, 6 February 2009 (UTC)