Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 May 7

7 May 2009

Levi Johnston

Levi Johnston (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

The article was speedy deleted by an involved admin. KillerChihuahua (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) is extensively involved in the Sara Palin topic. There is a controversy on Wikipedia over whether Levi Johnston is notable. He has appeared in primetime TV interviews recently, so his notability is open to question. KillerChihuahua reasons for deleting the article included BLP and an XfD of redirect opened back in March which resulted in a deletion. However he hasn't articulated a clear BLP violation and he recreated the redirect despite the XfD. The article should be restored and taken to AfD.   Will Beback  talk  20:01, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

I have re-examined the Rfd; Will is correct that consensus was to delete; although mention was made of a redir to Public image of Sarah Palin#Teen pregnancy, this did not have consensus. I have therefore corrected my error and deleted the Redir. KillerChihuahua^?!? 20:28, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

• Please note: I am not in any way "involved" - I do not edit the Sarah Palin article. I am enforcer of the article probation on that article. Will, I would appreciate it if you would strike your inaccurate and hostile characterization of me as biased in this matter, as it smacks of personal attack. KillerChihuahua^?!? 20:04, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
  • I'm not familiar with the job description of "enforcer", but I'd be surprised if it includes free reign to delete articles outside of process. Deletion of a redirect is not comparable to the deletion of a properly sourced article, so I don't see how that can be used as a sufficient cause. Is there a reason why this article shouldn't go to AfD?   Will Beback  talk  20:09, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
    • "I'm not faimiliar with the job description of "enforcer", but I'd be surprised if it includes free reign to delete articles outside of process."? Will, try to keep your personal hostility of me off this Drv. Your desire to attack me and smear me has no place here; this is inappropriate. I will not respond further to your blatant attacks, and suggest you strike or remove them. KillerChihuahua^?!? 20:14, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
      • Is it a personal attack to say that you are involved in this topic? That's a much lower threshold than I've ever seen before. The assertion that I have a desire to attack you fails to AGF. This response shows a lack of dispassion. All the more reason to bring this to AfD to let uninvolved editors weigh in.   Will Beback  talk  20:27, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Um, for people unfamilar with the circumstances here, the alleged notability of Levi Johnston is based on the fact that he is the ex-fiance of Bristol Palin. Bristol Palin's alleged notability is based on being a child of Sarah Palin. There is currently no article for Bristol Palin.Ferrylodge (talk) 20:18, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

• The notability also derives from appearances on TV and from articles written about him and his family. But that's a matter which should be discussed at AFD.   Will Beback  talk  20:20, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
• I'd like to here any policy based reasons why this article shouldn't go to AfD. I don't think KillerC was really basing the deletion on BLP, but more on their feeling that Johnston is non-notable. They may be right, but that's for AfD to decide. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 20:24, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
  • Dear me, are you accusing me of lying? On what basis? KillerChihuahua^?!? 20:26, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
    • Sorry for the offense. You said it was against BLP, then gave a longer reasoning about it being non-notable. I figured that was the one you were going by. I now see your further comments on your talk page. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 20:32, 7 May 2009 (UTC)