Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2015 October 3

3 October 2015

File:Sonyvhotz.djvu

File:Sonyvhotz.djvu (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (article|XfD|restore)

Public domain status is unclear as it was seemingly produced by Sony and not fed govt but I don't see a problem with using at least a scaled down version of the doc with a claim of fair use. Assuming there is no free version available, it could be theoretically used that way. 189.25.205.82 (talk) 20:13, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Beta Uprising

Beta Uprising (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

Closed as speedy delete on the day of nomination, when multiple people said to keep it, and the closing admin did not provide the speedy deletion criteria she deleted it under, only saying "speedy", completely bypassing consensus. Please revert this bizarre close. Grognard Extraordinaire Chess (talk) Ping when replying 20:31, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

For reference, the closing admin gave these criteria on the talk page:

Wnt, Chess, Gandydancer and Darth Viller, as you know, it's a question of sourcing. With something like this the first version needs to have solid secondary sourcing so that Wikipedia isn't leading with it. Darth, I saw no scholars using the term. The secondary sources were the BBC and one or two others mentioning in passing that some posters on those boards had used the phrase. That's not enough to base an article on, though you could perhaps add the phrase to another relevant article.

It indeed wasn't the main subject of the BBC News source, though it was the main focus of the article in The Frisky, and had additional mentions in other reliable media. Darth Viller (talk) 20:48, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

@Darth Viller: True, but it she can't unilaterally say that it is not enough to base an article on and then delete the article. We're supposed to come to those conclusions by consensus, not one admin deciding whatever she says is law. Grognard Extraordinaire Chess (talk) Ping when replying 20:52, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

@Wnt and Gandydancer: Thought you'd like to know of this. Grognard Extraordinaire Chess (talk) Ping when replying 20:53, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

I put some other mentions at the AfD discussion. The page was deleted at 20:00 UTC today, when the AfD looked like this. --Rubbish computer 21:21, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

• Comment. The article began: "Beta Uprising is a phrase used on 4chan and Reddit to refer to violence or support of violence by 'socially awkward' males against 'alpha males' and women." It contained a section on the Umpqua Community College shooting.

I speedy deleted it because notability had not been established, and when I checked it on Google it was obvious that notability could not be established. The sources I found were primary sources, with a passing mention of the phrase by the BBC [1] and two other outlets. Yet the Wikipedia article – which contained unsourced passages and SYN violations – had already been picked up by Google. There was therefore a danger that we would become the main vehicle for the spread of the phrase. I hope it is obvious why we ought not to do that given the circumstances.

I've offered to email a copy to its creator, if he doesn't already have one, so that he can create Draft:Beta Uprising. That way, other editors can be involved in the search for secondary sourcing and the decision to publish. Sarah ^(talk) 21:22, 3 October 2015 (UTC)