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Worlds (Porter Robinson album)

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Nominator(s): Skyshiftertalk and TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 00:02, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

After becoming popular as an electronic dance music artist, Porter Robinson eventually grew weary of the style, writing his debut album Worlds in an attempt to break the conventions of the culture. The album used a novel blend of influences to evoke a sense of grandeur and nostalgia over the pounding bass music of Robinson's discography prior. The article was significantly expanded by my co-nominator Skyshifter (who did most of the work, honestly), and after an excellent GAN review from Averageuntitleduser, we feel confident that this article is ready for an FAC review. We look forward to your comments! —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 00:02, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Drive-by comment by Davest3r08

What makes Fuse.tv reliable? There's no mention of it on WP:RSP or WP:A/S. (AGF comment) Davest3r08 >:3 ^(talk) 16:47, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

I'd note that the Fuse videos are interviews with Robinson and I am exclusively using his words; even if it's unreliable, WP:ABOUTSELF would apply. Skyshiftertalk 16:49, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Draken Bowser

..Daft Punk's Discovery (2001), an album Robinson considers the best of all-time.. - Man's got good taste.

No kidding! —TS

lead

• Prefer "He was inspired by fictional themes, including elements"

  Done for now. Skyshifter, we've discussed the phrasing of this point before as well. Let me know if you want to workshop it in the lead or in § Composition any further! —TS

• "including sounds from 1990s video games." - According to the body this is mostly about the video game music, could be made clearer since sound effects from video games have been a source of inspiration, and sampled by various artists.

  I could use some clarification on what changes you're envisioning here. This sentence in the lead is referring to Robinson's use of general MIDI sounds, which were used in many 90s-era video games. —TS

  Then we're good. /DrB

Background and development

• "which became one of his first principles for Worlds." - The former or the latter?

  Rephrased; it's both. —TS

Composition

• Prefer "and emotional feeling."

  Rephrased as "atmosphere" instead. —TS

Critical reception

• "Some critics thought Worlds demonstrated that Robinson could have a promising career." - I know that there's nothing wrong here, but the tone of "demonstrate" feels at odds with a sentence about the future, could we rephrase?

  Rephrased. —TS

Legacy

• "Robinson's struggles with depression, writer's block and mental health" - Recommend using either the specific or the general, or rephrase into something like "struggles with mental health including bouts of depression".

  Rephrased to be more in line with WP:SUFFER. —TS

I was becoming a bit concerned over the lack of any commentary at all on music and lyrics, until I realized I had set the printer to duplex printing. Cheers. Draken Bowser (talk) 09:24, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks again for the review, Draken Bowser! All comments in progress. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 15:31, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

All comments addressed, some need clarification. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 21:48, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

comments from sawyer-mcdonell

can't promise i'll give a long review, but i'll look this over. ping me if it's been more than a week! ... sawyer * he/they * talk 21:15, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Ping as requested. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 00:04, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

thanks for the reminder - i'll give it a look-over tonight :) ... sawyer * he/they * talk 03:33, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

comments

• (leade) Following the album's positive reception, Robinson experienced a period of writer's block and depression, leading to the seven-year wait for his next studio album, Nurture (2021). - this seems counterintuitive & should probably clarify that the reason for the writer's block/depression was the feeling of pressure; you'd only need to add like 3 words i think

  Done. —TS

• in general i think the leade could be a bit longer; at 3k words MOS:LEADLENGTH suggests 2-3 paragraphs, so not strictly necessary, but just a suggestion of mine

  Is there anything you'd recommend adding? I had this concern myself earlier but couldn't find much that I could justify adding to the lead. —TS

• (composition section) Barry Walters of Wondering Sound said that most of Worlds uses "ballad-speed" beats per minute. this doesn't mean anything to me (i don't know much about this aspect of music); is ballad-speed particularly fast or slow?

  Rephrased. —TS

• (tracks 1-5 section) The next track, "Sad Machine", was the first Robinson had ever recorded vocals for. first track ever? first track on the album? presumably the first, but this isn't completely clear to me as i'm not familiar with this genre or artist

  Clarified. —TS

• the reception section says it received critical acclaim & positive reviews but about 2/3 of the section is negative or lukewarm reviews; this is somewhat incongruous to me - is a 6/10 "acclaim"?

  @Skyshifter: Sources seem conflicted on this one. How do you feel about switching it to "mixed to positive" and mentioning that critics have mainly acclaimed it in retrospect? —TS

i don't have a ton of commentary for this article, partially because i'm not super familiar with album articles & others have gotten to things before me... but it's also just a really good article! i'll read through a couple more times tomorrow to see if there's anything else needing attention. great job :3 ... sawyer * he/they * talk 05:29, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Sawyer! Working on these now. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 05:32, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

@Sawyer-mcdonell: All comments addressed; clarifications needed on a couple. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 05:56, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

with regard to the leade length, i think a sentence or two more about the release & promotion could help beef it up; there's plenty of content in the body section to pull from. however, looking at it i agree that there's probably not more than a few sentences you could add without it becoming trivia. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 18:05, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

@Sawyer-mcdonell: Done(?) I've added a little, but was once again unable to justify adding a lot of the more detailed points in the body, which feel out of place for the lead. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 19:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Comments from Elli

Missed the OneShot FAC and you've somehow made it to FAC with another piece of media I've enjoyed. Will review shortly. Elli (talk | contribs) 04:26, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

• Can you add timestamps to the YouTube interview cites?
  • I will do that soon.
    • All done! Skyshiftertalk 19:49, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
• Might be worth mentioning that "Hear the Bells" is a remix of "Bells Of Cologne" in particular (if a RS can be found for that).
  • Added the album's liner notes
• "The eighth track is "Lionhearted"" think you mean ninth.
  • Done
• "Shepherdess" isn't mentioned elsewhere in prose. Probably a good idea to mention it in the fourth paragraph?
  • Of which section? I don't think there's much to be added regarding "Shepherdess" other than what is in "Release and promotion". (I've also now remembered to add information about "Hollowheart", which was supposed to be on Worlds.)
  • Added more information about "Shepherdess" and "Hollowheart" in "Release and promotion".
    • That footnote looks good. I was thinking the fourth paragraph of "Release and promotion"; probably should've specified that. Elli (talk | contribs) 21:24, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
• The source about the "Flicker" mentions that the scenery is Japanese a few times; seems relevant.
  • Done
• Could more be written about the remix album?
  • Not much; the album didn't get any reviews, for example. There is an extensive article just about Worlds Remixed's artwork but I believe that would be too much unnecessary detail.
    • Hm. Could probably add another sentence about how they met and the artstyle given how much coverage that source gives? Agree more would be unnecessary. Elli (talk | contribs) 21:24, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
      • Added. Skyshiftertalk 19:49, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

That's about all I can find. Pretty nice work! Elli (talk | contribs) 05:03, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments! In progress. Skyshiftertalk 15:20, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Media review

Passes; details below.

• Three of the works of media—one album cover and two song samples—are copyrighted. All three have sufficient fair-use rationales and are either low-resolution enough or short enough to not replace the commercial viability of its songs.
• All other media present in the article is appropriately licensed for either public domain or Creative Commons.
• All images have suitable alt text.
• Sourcing for each work of media checks out.
• All media present in the article contributes greatly to its encyclopedic value.

Support on media; great work, both of you! Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 19:33, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Dylan620! —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 19:34, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Skyshiftertalk 19:50, 27 April 2024 (UTC)