Wikipedia talk:Advocacy ducks/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Archive 3

History

History of this essay is:

• here and its talk page (note: essay and its talk page moved here, so nothing is there)
• here and its talk page
• here and its talk page
• and see Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_Interest_ducks for deletion discussion of first version. Jytdog (talk) 15:28, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

(add note the essay has been moved now, instead of copy/pasted)

Yes, the TP was moved because BDD was kind enough to help me accomplish part of that task despite the fact you created this TP without any prior discussion with any of the involved editors, and in total disregard of it being moved from my user sandbox. It was still part of my sandbox project until the move was finalized. Furthermore, two of the links included above circle back to this essay and are not worth the effort it takes to click on them and are about as productive as shopping for lunchmeat in an autoparts store. The deleted essays have no relevance to this essay. The only similarities between them are images and authorship. Any history attached to this essay belongs in the header, not as a separate section below the header. Atsme^☎️📧 01:03, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

as my colleague states thru the above links the history of these essays is quite clear and serve no purpose ( IMO)--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 15:45, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Ozzie10aaaa i was making no comment on the essay; just creating links to the various versions. and we are all colleagues here as Wikipedians.Jytdog (talk) 19:19, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes, but I wasn't quite finished getting this essay moved, so if you and your colleague will please be patient and let me complete my work, it would be much appreciated. Atsme^☎️📧 16:00, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

do not change my comment; this essay is in Wikipedia space and it is never ok to change part of another editors comment like this; it may be Ok to redact a personal attack but not just randomly delete part of someone else's comment. Jytdog (talk) 18:38, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

You said it was okay to nuke your comments [1] which I did because they refer back to the current pages, not to the history. I am working on a history section per {{History}} and your reverts are disruptive. I am filing an ANI because your behavior has been disruptive since I first moved this essay into main space and you took control of it before I had completed the move. Not one word anywhere regarding any concerns you may have had. I am through with your bullying, Jytdog. Atsme^☎️📧 18:56, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

BDD said he couldn't move the whole Talk page without nuking my comments. I said it was fine for BDD to nuke my comments to do that. Which is totally different than editing my comments. your violation of a really fundamental behavioral norm here has nothing to do with that and my objecting is not bullying. Creating a Talk page is not "taking control" nor is posting a comment about the history, nor is keeping my comment intact. As to your comment on your talk page where you referenced "an essay I authored", please note that the authors of this essay are "BDD, QuackGuru, Doc James, Jytdog, AlbinoFerret, David Tornheim, Atsme, DrChrissy, Petrarchan47, Wuerzele and Ca2james". File away; nothing will come of it except damage to your reputation. Jytdog (talk) 19:12, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

You disrupted the process of moving an essay I created authored into main space - I requested the assistance of admin BDD to help me with the move. You did not even offer one ounce of discussion to see what was going on or at what point the move had progressed. You just took it upon yourself to do whatever the hell you felt like doing, and quite frankly I am tired of your imposition and disruption. You do not OWN this article, even though you may think you do as you have demonstrated wherever you are involved. Please back-off. You have already made known your intent for me here: [2] and for no other reason than I disagree with your bullying tactics and censorship on WP. Respond to the case I initiated at ANI and we'll go from there. If the results do not reflect justice, my intention is to initiate an ARBCOM. You have stepped way over the line this time. Atsme^☎️📧 20:18, 13 May 2015 (UTC) [corrected semantics] 06:23, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Contested deletion

This page should not be speedily deleted because it represents an actual divide of opinion between editors; supressing it will only drive the dispute underground.

Anmccaff (talk) 21:18, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Not only that the essay was deleted CSD G4, but the essay that was deleted by discussion was COI Ducks, that dealt with COI. Advocacy Ducks does not deal with COI but advocacy. Its a different subject. AlbinoFerret 21:25, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

I am entirely uninvolved. I briefly saw the essay earlier today, and looked at the deletion discussion for COI ducks just now. If memory serves, the essays seem very different. I concur that speedy deleting a controvertial essay that seems to have undergone major changes since the previous deletion is not productive, nor is it appropriate under the stated criterion. Could it please be reinstated so that it can be properly discussed. Happy Squirrel(Please let me know how to improve!) 21:30, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

The only thing I believe was the same as the COI essay were the photos of ducks. AlbinoFerret 21:46, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

This essay really has went thru major changes. G4 really does seem to be a bad call. If anyone wants to seek a deletion the better call would be to open a new deletion discussion for this page it seems to me.-Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 23:38, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

So how about we take this essay to MfD and see what the whole community says? Ca2james (talk) 23:47, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

If you feel there is a reasonable call to delete this essay that would be the appropriate avenue to take.-Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 23:51, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

I would but I don't want to be taken to ANI or falsely accused of being part of some advocacy cabal. I'm hoping someone else will put up the MfD tag. Ca2james (talk) 00:07, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry you feel that way, Ca2@james, especially considering your insightful contributions to this essay. Atsme^☎️📧 00:16, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

@Ca2james: You might get taken to ANI, but you wouldn't get in any trouble. The individual who takes you there might catch a boomerang. -Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 00:38, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Ok, done. Let's see how this goes. Ca2james (talk) 01:27, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

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