Category talk:Watchmakers

There should be an article about "Delbana" brand. They have produced some of the most exquisite watch designs in the 1950s and 1960s. Are they still in business? I belive they have been located in Switzerland.

Cubus

Could you list Cubus watches here ? It is Croatian manufacturer of fashion watches. It has wikipedia article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.138.147.110 (talk) 11:16, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Ebel?

Why is Ebel not listed in this category? They are a luxury Swiss Watchmaking company that have been around for a long time. They make great watches, aka: "The architects of Time". They are a pretty well known and respected watchmaker, someone needs to add them to the list and create a page for them. They are more well known and make much nicer watches than many of the companies listed here that even have their own pages. (24.98.82.220 (talk) 16:55, 9 July 2008 (UTC))

Ebel is ot listed here because there is no article on Ebel in the english language wikipedia. This page is NOT a list of Watchbrands, it is a list of watchmakers/watchbrands that have Wikipedia articles. Horology (talk) 09:53, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Watchmakers vs. Watchbrands vs. Watchmaking companies

The terminology in this field is hopelessly confused, and maybe Wikipedia should set an example of beeing clearer and start using other words. Many brands do not "make" their own watches, they do not own or operate factories, they may not even be corporate entities, but divisions of larger entities, which themselves may or may not "make" watches either, they often only design and market them. Somebody should rework the Category Watchmakers in this regard.

I am also unsure if watchmakers should be a subcategory of clockmakers Horology (talk) 10:50, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Over the last days I have created subcategories and moved most of the direct entries. The category is now designed to hold no direct entries, all should be in one or in several subcategories. Those that temporarily remain directly in watchmaker await clarification on their true nature so they can be put into the right subcategoryHorology (talk) 09:50, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

I just noticed this change, I haven't been following watch related stuff very closely. I think this change is very bad for wikipedia, even if I strongly agree with the goal. It largely violates wikipedia policies such as WP:NOR, WP:CRYSTAL, etc. Even if we ignore those policies and set out to create a definition of what a "watch manufacture" vs a "watch brand" is, it runs into lots of really bad cases. Very few companies completely manufacture all parts of a watch, including things like hairsprings, mainsprings, etc. Many companies take rough movements and put significant work into making them complete watches. I'll use Webb Ball as an example, his company never completely manufactured any watches. The Ball-Elgins were delivered to him with timing requirements so low that Elgin wouldn't have even passed them on their cheapest 7-jewel watches, but the Ball company took those watches and turned them into something that would pass railroad inspection. The Ball company has historically been considered a watch manufacturer, and I think it is quite wrong for wikipedia to try and redefine things. Many other companies largely manufacture some of their watches, but simply private-label others, or once upon a time manufactured but no longer. The definition created here can not deal with such things. It is not wikipedia's place to try and create definitions that deal with all these problems, we have a hard enough time just following definitions created by others. Wrs1864 (talk) 14:35, 17 April 2009 (UTC)