John Vance (MP)

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John Vance (10 December 1808 – 21 September 1875) was a Conservative MP for Dublin City from 1852 until his defeat in 1865. He was later elected unopposed for Armagh City[1] and represented the constituency from 30 June 1867 until his death.

In the 1847 General Election Vance was unsuccessful in his attempts to be elected for Canterbury. In 1853 the Canterbury Bribery Commission found his agent guilty of bribery.[2]

Dublin City Elections[edit]

General Election, 1852 (2 seats)[edit]

The Times reports Vance's address to the electors as all that the Protestant Party could reasonably or unreasonably desire. The Dublin Orange Lodges pronounce for him.[3] He is against the Maynooth Grant.[3]

  1. Edward Grogan (Conservative) 4,531 (37.82%)
  2. John Vance 4,429 (36.97%)
  3. John Reynolds (Liberal - Independent Opposition) 3,019 (25.20%)

General Election, 1857 (2 seats)[edit]

  1. Edward Grogan 3,767 (26.47%)
  2. John Vance 3,711 (26.08%)
  3. Francis William Brady (Liberal) 3,405 (23.93%)
  4. John Reynolds (Liberal) 3,348 (23.53%)

General Election, 1859 (2 seats)[edit]

  1. Sir Edward Grogan, Bt 4,251 (26.03%)
  2. John Vance 4,224 (25.86%)
  3. Francis William Brady 3,976 (24.34%)
  4. Alexander McCarthy (Liberal) 3,881 (23.76%)

General Election, 1865 (2 seats)[edit]

  1. Sir Benjamin Lee Guinness, Bt (Conservative) 4,739 (35.19%)
  2. Jonathan Pim (Liberal) 4,653 (34.56%)
  3. John Vance 4,073 (30.25%)

On Vance's defeat the Cork Examiner stated that Pim typified Dublin's reformation from unlightened and unadorned Orangeism.[4]

"Rome Rule"[edit]

Vance coined the phrase "Home Rule is Rome Rule", meaning that the efforts to secure Irish Home Rule would result in a state dominated by the Roman Catholic Church. In a debate on an Irish Bill on 12 July 1871 he said: "He was speaking to the question raised by the hon. Member for Westmeath, and his own opinion was that "home rule" in Ireland would prove to be "Rome rule"."[5] The slogan was popularized by John Bright to oppose the first Irish Home Rule Bill 1886 a decade after Vance's death.


  1. ^ The Times, Ireland, 1 Feb 1867; pg7 col E
  2. ^ The Times, Canterbury Bribery Commission 2 Aug 1853; pg5 col D
  3. ^ a b The Times,Election Intelligence 18 Jun 1852; pg8 col D
  4. ^ The Times, Ireland 28 July 1865; pg8 col F
  5. ^ Hansard report, 12 July 1871

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Parliament of the United Kingdom
Preceded by
Sir Edward Grogan
John Reynolds
Member of Parliament for Dublin
With: Sir Edward Grogan
Succeeded by
Jonathan Pim
Benjamin Guinness
Preceded by
Stearne Miller
Member of Parliament for Armagh City
Succeeded by
George Beresford