Talk:Yardie

I'd read somewhere that the term "Yardie" originally referred to an inhabitant of a slum neighborhood in Kingston known as "Yard".

To be more precise, the neighborhood is known as "Government Yards", and often referred to by its inhabitants as "Yard". It has often been mentioned in reggae songs.

This article needs attention. The early part of it seems to disagree with the rest of the article. I fixed the TeX style quotes that were italicising the ends of the paragraphs but this is not my area of expertise so I can't really fix it.Furby100 21:09, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Was this copy/pasted from somewhere else? --WhiskeyJuvenile 12:46, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Looks like it may have been, I can't see a wiki project ending up with "Christian work ethic" in it (particularly not a British one). --Talkie Toaster

Portions of this articles appear to have been copy/pasted from THE YARDIES: ENGLAND'S EMERGING CRIME PROBLEM (Google Cache) --Popefelix 21:12, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Frankly, this reads like its been written by a member of the BNP

speaking of which: As there was blatent institution racism within the police then could it be Roy A.C. Ramm the writer of the original report is infact racist? what's his background? mikeoman 23 June 2006 23:26

Literature

There have been writers that have written about the subject of Yardie culture. One in particular worth noting is the writer Victor Headley. Using the publishing company X-press Headley wrote a trilogy of three books- these are known as Yardie (1992) Excess (1993) and Yush (1994)that were targetted at the young afro carribean market in the 90's. The story follows the character D as he starts his own crime ring, it has in depth details about yardie culture particularly about aggressive attitudes and dress sense. Although I have not read the books, it may provide insight into Yardie culture. I got all of my information from a book call London Calling How Black and Aisian Writers Imagined a City by Sukhdev Sandhu (2003) published by Harper Collins Publishers(2003). User mikeoman 23:21 22 June 2006

Article

As a user identified above, most of the article comes from a piece written by Roy A. C. Ramm, Detective Chief Superintendent, International and Organized Crime Branch, Scotland Yard. Apologies to the Chief, but his material is woefully inaccurate. I have altered the introduction, however I am also lacking sources - I just happen to know that my new introduction is true. There is a problem here - checking the net for sources does not suffice, I've just found a load garbage or nonsense. Unsure how to proceed.--Zleitzen 06:15, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Have proceeded. Removed most of the article! --Zleitzen 06:47, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Is it important within the article to have a section on the police view on the yardie syndicate? perhaps backed up with statistics to back their case? mikeoman 23:18 22 June 2006.

Yardies in the USA?

In the book London Calling by Sukhdev Sandhu, there are references made to Yardies going to the USA in order to partake in organised crime, as border controls to USA are too restrictive they stop off in the UK and get a UK passport. Perhaps this is an area, that could be included in the article?

YARDIES IN THE USA ARE KNOWN AS POSSES - THE TERM YARDIE IN A UK SENSE IS FROM JAMAICANS REFERRING TO THEIR HOMELAND AS "BACK A YARD", AND IN BLACK BRITISH YOUTH CULTURE SLANG FOR A PERSONS HOME IS "YARD".

THE MEDIA IN THE LATE 80S - EARLY 2000 BECAME OBSESSED WITH CALLING ANY BLACK GUN OR GANG RELATED CRIME AS "YARDIE RELATED" WHEN IN FACT MOST OF WHAT THEY WERE REPORTTING WAS BRITISH BORN BLACKS. THE HOTSPOTS FOR "YARDIE" GANG CRIME IN LONDON WERE HACKNEY, TOTTENHAM, BRIXTON/LAMBETH AND HARLESDEN - ALTHOUGH NOW IN ALL OF THESE PLACES GANGS ARE VERY MULTICULTURAL WITH BLACK BRITISH, AFRICAN, CARIBBEAN, ASIAN, TURKISH, KURDISH YOUTHS ETC....

I SUGGEST THE ARTICLE BE USED TO STATE THE DEFINITION YARDIE AND ITS LINK IN UK JOURNALSIM TO BLACK GUN CRIME IN UK INNER CITIES, BUT THEN RE-DIRECT TO JAMAICAN POSSES WHICH ARE THE SAME THING AS YARDIE GANGS, JUST ONE NAME IS AMERICAN AND THE OTHER BRITISH. OSGSSS (talk) 18:22, 22 October 2009 (UTC)OSGSSSOSGSSS (talk) 18:22, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Hurricane Charlie

In the introduction it says "Trenchtown was originally built as a housing project following devastation caused by Hurricane Charlie", but clicking on the link leads to a disambiguation page with 8 or 9 hurricanes. It would be helpful to disambiguate the link in the article, because knowing which hurricane is referred to would give an approximate date for the introduction of the term. I can't do it because I don't know which hurricane it was. Can someone help? Rbraunwa 01:26, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Done! It was 1951.--Zleitzen 02:30, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Global Background / Missing Citation

For a lengthy study of Yardie history and culture (including details of many specific events across many countries), see Geoff Small's "Ruthless: The Global Rise of the Yardies" Warner Books, 1995. Would this do for the "missing citation" requested in the current text? The book certainly addresses the issue under discussion (= shooting with little, indeed sometimes no, provocation) and describes in some detail several instances where this has happened, but does the citation have to include the page number, or would citing the whole book do? Mike.stannett (talk) 03:28, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Non-neutral

"Yardies often carry guns on their person and do not hesitate to shoot at the slightest provocation." This sentence hardly seems neutral.