Talk:1906 in aviation

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Vuia first?

What about all the other aviators listed as having got off the ground under their own power? The only way Vuia was first would be if he really flew but all these other inventors were hoaxes and frauds. Many of them have better documentation too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Romaniantruths (talk • contribs) 23:00, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As I mentioned, he is considered by some to have achieved the first flight. That depends on the definition of what is considered flight. There are of course many other contenders as detailed in First flying machine. Vuia's flights were unassisted, witnessed and repeated which gives his claim more credence than some but less than others. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 03:26, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've raised this with WP:Aviation, someone there may have a btter idea of how to deal with this. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 04:04, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, actually it doesn't depend on the definition of what is considered flight. You said "Vuia's flights were unassisted, witnessed and repeated", and I'm saying that others fullfilled these exact same criteria years earlier according to Wikipedia and pretty much all other historical sources. Maybe these weren't sustained controlled flights, but neither was Vuia's hop of 20 Meters at an altitude of three feet. Several of these earlier, longer, higher, unassisted, witnessed and repeated flights are quite well documented, but the sources listed for Vuia's flight are Very poor indeed. Many of them site Vuia's own memoirs as their sole reference, and are written in a suspiciously sensationalistic style. Romaniantruths (talk) 03:13, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Virtually flightless! What does it mean?

Text removed: "Subsequent investigation has described the aircraft as "virtually flightless".[1]" The citation [1] says just the same thing without explaining or quoting other works that explain why Vuia's plane was "virtually flightless". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.203.73.246 (talk) 12:19, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]