Talk:2005 Pacific typhoon season/Archive 1

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Archive 1

Archive 2

Moving

Anyone object if I move this to 2005 typhoon season? Pacific is redundant; typhoons only occur in the Pacific. --Golbez 23:43, July 22, 2005 (UTC)

I think it's fine where it is. I don't see 'Pacific' as being redundant.

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 16:50, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Why not? Typhoons only form in the NW Pacific. --Golbez 17:07, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

We need to give a location, Golbez. Some people might not know where typhoons form, or that they are only in the Western Pacific. And you were one of several who still think that putting 'active' in bold next to the name of an active storm, when it clearly says in the heading that active storms are in bold, is a good idea. That has never made sense to me. Someone may be ignorant enough to not know where typhoons form but I doubt anyone is that stupid. You say you do it to help the deaf and visually impaired. I don't see how that would help those people.

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 01:22, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Because some people can't see the bold. They are blind and use screenreaders that don't announce the bold. This was pointed out at the beginning of the 2004 season by someone concerned with accessibility. Do you have a factual statement to refute that, or will you just keep bringing that up whenever you have a disagreement with me? --Golbez 16:27, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

You didn't make it clear the last time I asked. That's why I brought it up again. No need to get your shorts in a knot.

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 04:09, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Since I just filled out categories for all the existing Pacific typhoon seasons (see Category:Pacific typhoon seasons, {{hurricane season category}}, and {{Pacific typhoon season categories}}) I really hope it stays where it is. Plus I agree "pacific" is not redundant because it is descriptive. Jdorje 22:00, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Super Typhoon Mawar

I created a page for Typhoon Mawar and moved its current status information to the new page. This is my first time with all this, so I hope that nobody minds that I make the changes. I'm not sure if there is some sort of voting process beforehand. This is going to be a big Typhoon, so I though it would be important to get all the information on its own page. Also, since I live in Japan, I've got a first hand account of what is happening.--Jasohill 09:33, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

It may have been a bit premature to create a page for Mawar. Since it has weakened significantly since reaching super typhoon status. Current info should be kept on the main page. Dedicated pages to specific storms are more for the effects and aftermath of the storm, not on its current status. Also Moving this and above post down to keep it in chronological order. --Holderca1 13:03, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

As far as I have seen, pages for US hurricanes or Australian storms are created before they have made landfall, and while they are in progress they are updated with the current status. (Cyclone Ingrid, for example, was a separate page that was already maintained when it was east of the Australian mainland.) The fact that relatively few people tend to update the status of Asian typhoons compared to American hurricanes shouldn't be a reason to have no separate article for Mawar. -- KittySaturn 07:27, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

The event is over now, and as far as I can tell, there's still no separate page for Mawar on ja.wikipedia.org to cross-link to. Given that it was a japanese event, and ja.wikipedia.org integrated the info into their typhoon page, it's likely that there's not enough information for a separate page on the English version either. --Interiot 18:17, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Typically, the rule of thumb for creating a seperate storm page is when the amount of information surpasses what would normally be seen on main page. As of right now, the main page only has about 6 lines for Mawar, while the Mawar page has about the same amount. Also when you created the page, Mawar was several days away from land and could have veered to the right of Japan and not effected land. --Holderca1 12:40, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Changed the Mawar page to a redirect to the main page, feel free to add to the Typhoon Mawar section of the main page, if enough information is gathered there to warrant a seperate page, then we can change it back. The Typhoon Matsa page will likely have the same fate unless someone starts adding info to it. --Holderca1 17:51, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Timeline

I had thought we didn't include everytime the storm weakened a category on the timeline, only when it strengthed into a new category. --Holderca1 13:31, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

In the Atlantic, we've only done drops in strength when it hits land, or when it dies out. I agree, noting every single category wobble isn't notable. The point of the timeline is to note notable events. --Golbez 16:27, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

Typhoon Vamei

Because Vamei formed very close to the Equator and attacked to places seldom attacked by typhoon, the name of "Vamei" has been removed. The new name replaced Vamei is "Peipah". Should it change?--HeiChon~XiJun 19:10:32, 2005-08-12 (UTC)

Yea. Many names on the list are changed by the contributing countries after they've been used. The list on Wikipedia should be changed accordingly. — Insta ntnood 19:51, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

I added templates of Typhoon season pages back to 1999. I'll work on getting the storm details in, notable ones first, then all storms. First notable storm I put in was Typhoon Vamei on the 2001 season page. I put the basin number (ex. 01W) after the names for an easy cross reference on International name v PAGASA name. I'll remove them when all storm info for that season is complete. User:skywayman September 23, 2005 21:10 UTC

Naming List

The naming list for the Western Pacific is almost used up. There are only five names left: Talim, Nabi, Khanun, Vicente, and Saola. What happens when they run out of names? Will they make a new list? Recycle the old one? Something else?

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 22:15, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

It's not remotely used up; the intro to the list points out that the first storm of the season was Kulap, which as you can see is halfway up the fifth list. It uses sequential lists like the Central Pacific; when they get to the end of one list, they go back to the top of the next, and so on and so forth. There aren't annual lists. --Golbez 22:20, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the sequential-list clarification. When I said 'used up' I meant that all but five names on the 40 plus-name list have been used since the list was introduced in 2000.

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 00:07, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

I greyed out all the names except for Nabi currently active and names used so far in 2005. I think that cleans it up a little better. As far as I know they restart with the first list when the last is used up. I'll double check to make sure some names haven't changed. I wrote the basic template for this page a few months back and never noticed there was active discussion on here. I must have overlooked it while I tried to keep all the storm info current. Thanks to everyone else contributing, the pics look nice whoever added them.

User:skywayman - Squawk Box 01:11, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

I actually just updated the list with the most current from the WMO a few days ago. --Holderca1 02:10, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Could you give me a link to where you found that updated list?

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 21:58, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

[1] --Holderca1 23:18, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 02:48, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

19W.Longwang

Who thought up that name? --tomf688^{talk} 01:04, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Haha, at least I understood what it means. Longwang; I've heard many many opinions on that name :P -- NSLE | Talk 01:34, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

I cracked up when I saw it. I believe it means "Dragon King" ("Long Wang") -- RattleMan 01:57, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, long ('loong') for dragon and wang (that's wang as in one-g) for king. I hate (and love, oddly) Chinese. -- NSLE | Talk 02:04, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

The Turkish had a navy flagship named Tegetthoff (say it aloud). I kid you not. The city in Thailand devastated by the tsunami was Phuket. Before modern naming lists took effect, there were horrible names used for storms, especially in the West Pacific. Babs, Flo (I'm not making this up), Elvis, Yanni, Cam, Yvette, Mamie, Winona, Piper, Trix, Della, Ora, Therese, Marge, Dot, Sperry, Orchid, Maury, Ogden (thought that was city in Utah), Elsie, Thad, Axel, Lex (used as a male name!), Thelma, (Atl) Fifi, Irma, Eloise, Blanche, Alma, Ilsa, Hope (What if that storm killed hundreds: "Hurricane Hope killed 259 people in Central America last August..."), Flossie, probably more. So humans are by no means immune to horrible names.

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 20:41, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Lex is a male name. Ever heard of Lex Luther? Okay, yeah, he's a character on Smallville (probably the Superman comics too, never cared about comics), but he's still male. bob rulz 23:01, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Storm Infobox

New storm infobox has been introduced on the 2005 Atlantic Hurricane Season page and has become the new wiki standard. Thanks NSLE for adding it on this page as well. I was watching Beta so closely I missed 22W spin up. I have modified the Saffir-Simpson scale template used on those pages to one more appropriate for the NW Pacific Saffir-Simpson-NWP. Instead of mph it has knots as the JTWC uses knots. Also added a pink/purplish color for cat 4 Super Typhoon to differentiate it from reg cat 4. Templates have been added for the storm colors so we don't have to learn hex. I created catS template for the Super Typhoon cat 4. I named it with a capital S for Super (Typhoon) so it wouldn't look like "cats".

I've used UTC as the primary time reference in writing summary info on this page because the regional time zones aren't as familiar to English speaking readers. Since the new wiki standard uses both UTC and local time zone. I propose we use the following generally accepted abbreviations for the time zones:

ICT Indochina Time: Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos (UTC+7)

HKT Hong Kong Time: Hong Kong, China, Taiwan (UTC+8)

PHT Philippine Time: Philippines (UTC+8)

JST Japan Standard Time: Japan (UTC+9)

KST Korea Standard Time: North and South Korea (UTC+9)

ChST Chamorro Standard Time: Guam (UTC+10)

YAPT Yap Time: Yap Micronesia (UTC+10)

PONT Pohnpei Time: Pohnpei Micronesia (UTC+11)

MHT Marshall Islands Time: Marshall Islands (UTC+12)

China and Taiwan are usually abbreviated with CST for China Standard Time but this is easily confused with the United States central time zone. Another abbreviation previously used was CCT for China Coast Time. This may be to obscure a reference to use and has fallen out of favor since China unified under one time zone. I am hoping using HKT won't be controversial for these areas.

SkyWayMan 02:30 29 October 2005 UTC

New infobox category added by NSLE for Strong Tropical Storm. In checking sources I see JMA does use a catagory TS for Tropical Storm and STS presumably for Strong Tropical Storm. Added template color called storm colour strong to avoid hex coding.

SkyWayMan 18:10 29 October 2005 UTC

There is nothing called a strong tropical storm. The category STS stands for 'severe tropical storm'. It is used in Hong Kong, Macau, China, Reunion, Mauritius, etc. and is a fixed term for the regional exchange between countries around Northwest Pacific Ocean or Southwest Indian Ocean. Momoko 07:59, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Track Charts

Why are we linking to Weather Underground's track charts? The UNISYS charts are of much better quality and we can link to copywrited page right? I think all the track charts should be replaced with the ones UNISYS has. Thoughts? -- Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde - archive 06:37, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Todo

Mention of NIndian in the intro (alongside EPac).
Why are some storms not covered at all, only a translation is provided?
Miles and mph should be provided instead of nautical miles and knots (or at least, if you consider nautical miles so important, in addition to them).

Jdorje 05:13, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Button bar

Is it just me, or is this not very useful? In my cursory glance before running to this talk page, I saw at least three Ks. It works better (if at all) in the Atlantic pages where there's an alphabetical progression. --Golbez 19:53, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

I was thinking that at first, but the season does have 5 subpages. That does help for navigation between the articles. Hurricanehink 20:30, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

No, it really doesn't. Would the Hurricane Katrina article be useful if we had a button bar with "E", "I", "N", etc., linking to Effects of Katrina, International Response, Katrina in New Orleans, etc? No. Nor is it useful here. The letters mean less than nothing. --Golbez 20:34, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I completely agree about the letters. That makes absolutely no sense with the letters anywhere else than having the alphabet. However, I do like the idea of having a link to every storm from the different sub-pages. I'm not sure how to fix the problem of the letters, though. Hurricanehink 20:40, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

(Temporarily) removed. NSL E _(T+C) at 01:17 UTC (2006-03-03)

Storm tracks

here are the tracks for the 2005 pacific typhoons, you can upload them if you like. Storm05 17:36, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Can't Unisys is copyrighted. Hurricanehink 17:37, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

dont think so read this. And what I meant was you can upload them on to that storm path generator of yours. Storm05 17:39, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Quoting:

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A "non-commercial only" license is not allowed on Wikipedia, and they are copyrighted. --Golbez 19:58, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Well then upload the tracks on that storm path generator thingabob Storm05 19:33, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

We need the raw data to run the generator on. UNISYS has links to HURDAT-formatted data for the wpac but it only goes through 2004. — jdorje (talk) 03:07, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Reference Section

Added a reference section to conform to other tropical cyclone-related wikipedia pages. User talk:thegreatdr 19:28, 23 May 2006

messy

The article is messy. What about the small infoboxes for each storm? (Like the 2006 Pacific typhoon season article) Irfanfaiz 12:44, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Go right ahead. íslenska hurikein #12 _(samtal) 21:13, 18 July 2006 (UTC)