Talk:2021 European Curling Championships
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world qualifying and finland
[edit]I corrected the opening statements for how many nations qualify for the world tournaments but there is still some ambiguity that I was hoping someone could iron out. According to the rule book on page 52 eight european entries go to the worlds, unless a european entry came last at the previous championship. That would make it seven for the women since Estonia was last in 2021. This creates an odd situation for Finland in the men's tournament: what happens to the qualifying tournament if they qualify directly to the worlds?18abruce (talk) 02:07, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- @18abruce: Hey you are not going to be shocked by what I say, but I believe Finland automatically qualifies as host for the 2022 World Qualification Event, if you refer to this article here: https://worldcurling.org/2021/06/lohja-hosting/ I know you may be right going forward, but the WCF simply can not take away a host slot after announcing that a nation who host has it, this would be unfair and insulting to the host nation. I believe all the changes in the congress you are referring to will not be applied until the 2022-2023 season, because changing the rules mid-season is simply bad form. Here is the text from the article:
The World Qualification Event 2022 will take place from Monday 17 January 2022 until Saturday 22 January 2022 and is for eight women’s and eight men’s teams — one host, one Americas team, two Pacific-Asia teams and four European teams. The winners and runners-up qualify for the respective women’s and men’s World Curling Championships.
- Sorry again for being pedantic, but I wouldn't even comment if I didn't feel like I was correct. Edwyth (talk) 22:17, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
- @Edwyth: You are not being pedantic, I am not siding against saying Finland qualifies as host, but there was a least one situation where they would not have. The problem is describing specific courses of qualification for ambiguous situations like what is going to be happening in the World Q. Finland does qualify as host, but the lede of the article was incorrect, and then the assumption that Spain qualifies when the documentation from the WCF did not support it, is a problem. Originally Finland could have qualified directly for the worlds so would not have been participating at all in the men's Q, and the framing statement was just plain incorrect about how many men's teams went to the worlds anyway. In the olympic Q the documentation originally said (men's and women's): host, nations from the worlds who did not qualify directly, two qualifiers. That should have added up to ten teams, that is not what happened; the host did not participate in the women's and the host was already amongst the qualifiers for the men's. Now there are several logical arguments for why Spain should be included, but so far they are not.18abruce (talk) 22:57, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
- @18abruce: My thought is because Finland is going to the World Qualification Event for getting 10th place in the A-Division, but would've gotten that place as host anyway, the next spot at the World Qualification Event would go to the 3rd place in B-Division, because there are four spots allowed for teams for the European teams in addition to the host. I guess we will have to wait and see! Edwyth (talk) 00:50, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
- @18abruce: Hey, hope you have a great New Year's Eve/Day! Here is the schedule for the 2022 World Qualification Event! https://curlit.com/WQE/aspnet/summary.aspx?EventID=1 Edwyth (talk) 23:15, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Edwyth:Thanks, I have been checking the original site regularly for some indication. It is pretty irritating that for months the WCF had to have known that three qualifiers from the 'B' tournament were necessary but they couldn't just communicate that on any documentation or update. Oh well.18abruce (talk) 17:24, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- @18abruce: Hey, hope you have a great New Year's Eve/Day! Here is the schedule for the 2022 World Qualification Event! https://curlit.com/WQE/aspnet/summary.aspx?EventID=1 Edwyth (talk) 23:15, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
- @18abruce: My thought is because Finland is going to the World Qualification Event for getting 10th place in the A-Division, but would've gotten that place as host anyway, the next spot at the World Qualification Event would go to the 3rd place in B-Division, because there are four spots allowed for teams for the European teams in addition to the host. I guess we will have to wait and see! Edwyth (talk) 00:50, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
- @Edwyth: You are not being pedantic, I am not siding against saying Finland qualifies as host, but there was a least one situation where they would not have. The problem is describing specific courses of qualification for ambiguous situations like what is going to be happening in the World Q. Finland does qualify as host, but the lede of the article was incorrect, and then the assumption that Spain qualifies when the documentation from the WCF did not support it, is a problem. Originally Finland could have qualified directly for the worlds so would not have been participating at all in the men's Q, and the framing statement was just plain incorrect about how many men's teams went to the worlds anyway. In the olympic Q the documentation originally said (men's and women's): host, nations from the worlds who did not qualify directly, two qualifiers. That should have added up to ten teams, that is not what happened; the host did not participate in the women's and the host was already amongst the qualifiers for the men's. Now there are several logical arguments for why Spain should be included, but so far they are not.18abruce (talk) 22:57, 28 November 2021 (UTC)