Talk:24K Magic (song)/GA1

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Reviewer: Kyle Peake (talk · contribs) 22:17, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I will begin on this today, though it will take a few days to review but responses can be given during the time so yeah. One major comment actually though; there are many celebrities referenced throughout the article, so could someone please add an image in at least one section? --Kyle Peake (talk) 22:26, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I will be away for the weekend, so I will take a look next week. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 02:32, 8 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Infobox and lead

2014–2016 should be recorded date in infobox, as the first section sources such information due to the writing beginning in 2014 and Mars still having the song finished in 2016

Done By the way "UF" was number one for the first time in 2015.

Rest of infobox looks good
Looks 100% good now!
Only link "third studio album" to the album, though keep the text itself the same way.

I can't, otherwise, the date of the release gets messy with the sentence.

"Atlantic Records released it as the album's lead single on October 7, 2016" → "It was released through Atlantic Records as the album's lead single on October 7, 2016"

Not done It's just a matter of rewording, because you don't like the way it is written. It's the same makes no difference.

Change "instant grat" target from Instant grat download to Online music store, as the former is a redirect

Done I changed it, but remember this is not mandatory.

"Calling themselves Shampoo Press & Curl the three of them handled production," → "Calling themselves Shampoo Press & Curl, the three of them handled production,"

Not done I see your point but information between commas is usually additional and in this case, you would have to change all the sentence not just add a comma, otherwise, the phrase makes no sense at all.

Lowercase The Stereotypes per MOS:THEMUSIC

Not done It's the name of their production team, plus is in mid-sentence. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 03:09, 8 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

""24K Magic" has been described" → "The song has been described", as you don't need to state its title twice in the first para of lead

Sure, but I say more times the word song than "24K Magic" itself so it's all about broad vocabulary.

In that same sentence, I've changed song to track in the description so it's not too repetitive and articles usually use the term song more in the lead

Change hip-hop to hip hop and set Hip hop music as the target

Done I will give it a wikilink, but you can say either hip hop or hip-hop. 1

"noticed the synthesizer riff and backbeat resembled the one" → "viewed the synthesizer riff and backbeat as resemblant of the one"

Not done I can see your point, but once more it's just vocabulary and you really can't view "synthesizer riffs" neither backbeats.

""24K Magic" was well received by most critics." → ""24K Magic" was generally well received by music critics."

Done

"complimented Mars' vocals comparing them to James Brown" → "complimented Mars' vocals and compared them to James Brown""

Done

"tried to emulate "Uptown Funk" (2014)" → "tried to emulate 2014 single "Uptown Funk""; year doesn't go in brackets as it's not an album

Show me where the comment above is in the Manual of style on wiki, please. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 02:51, 8 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Can't find it actually. Fine here

""24K Magic" was a commercial success." → "The song was a commercial success" as you already referenced the title three or so sentences back
Why do you use the term "the single" twice in the lead? Not only do people usually write the title and then just "the song" on most other times, but nobody writes an alternative third ref only twice. Just seems a bit weird and thought I'd question it.

Different vocabulary, that it is all. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 17:57, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

WikiLink the countries

Not done Doesn't add vital information at the maximum I could add the single charts of those countries.

"Director Cameron Duddy and Mars shot the song's music video." → "Director Cameron Duddy shot the song's music video with Mars." The former reads weirdly due to Duddy being introduced then it saying and Mars straight afterwards, as some may think it's a person or group that isn't about Bruno; the way i wrote it works better.
"The singer performed "24K Magic" on" → "He performed "24K Magic on" as you already called him Mars in the previous sentence.

Done everything else, but those points.

Section looks good now

Background and development

Img of The Stereotypes would be appropriate here, as they are referenced throughout
WikiLink Mark Ronson
"Mark Ronson and Mars' single "Uptown Funk" (2014), the singer headed to" → "Mark Ronson and Mars' single "Uptown Funk" (2014), the latter headed to" more clear who you are referring to
"At the time seven songs were already recorded." → "At the time, seven songs were already recorded." Comma should be used, read it aloud to see which sounds better.
"but I call it the invitation to the party."" Punctuation should be outside of quote for consistency
"Ray Romulus recalls the artist" → "Ray Romulus recalled the singer" as it is the past tense and you don't need to ref to Mars by the title of the artist as the singer works better
"to get on the dance floor."" + "important that we had the content to do so."" Punctuation should be outside of quotes for consistency

Done

Section looks good now

Production and release

"Bruno Mars, Philip Lawrence and Christopher Brody Brown" → "Mars, Philip Lawrence and Christopher Brody Brown" as we already know it's Bruno Mars and the rest of the body before & after refers to him as "Mars"
The Stereotypes shouldn't be WikiLinked as they already have been in the article
"Serban Ghenea and John Hanes, who served as the mix engineer, mixed "24K Magic" at MixStar Studios in Virginia Beach." → "Serban Ghenea mixed "24K Magic" at MixStar Studios in Virginia Beach, with John Hanes serving as the mix engineer." This makes it more specific as otherwise, people may be confused which one is the mix engineer or think they both are and the editor(s) forgot to put engineers.
Second para looks good

Done

Section looks good now

Composition

"they concluded it was a talk box" → "they concluded that it was a talk box"
Change to the Gap Band per MOS:THEMUSIC

Same as previous.

"while the backing vocals make heavy use of a vocoder." Mention who's on the backing vocals, as the names are known since you can see it in Production and release
"closer to the 1980s electronica, hip hop and R&B, than..." → "closer to that of the 1980s electronica, hip hop and R&B than..."
"What ya’ll tryna do? 24K magic in the air."" Punctuation should be outside of this quote for consistency.

The rest was Done

Section looks good now

Critical reception

"has received positive reviews from most music critics" → "has received generally positive reviews from music critics"
"praised the lead single saying it is on the same level as Mars' earlier,..." → "praised the lead single, saying it is on the same level as Mars' earlier work..."
"According to Brown these qualities," → "According to Brown, these qualities,"
"gave the recording a 9 out 10" → "rated the song a nine out of 10"
"it came at a time there are not enough party songs" → "it came at a time when there's not enough party songs"
"Rap-Up thought" → "The staff of Rap-Up thought" - it reads awkwardly to state the former as a website doesn't have thoughts, though the staff and authors do. With no given author just write "the staff".
"to the TV show Stranger Things (2016) since both evoke nostalgic feelings" → "to the TV show Stranger Things (2016), since both evoked nostalgic feelings for him"
"He found the single "impressive"," → "Lipshutz found the single "impressive","
"Robbie Daw rated" → "Robbie Daw of the site rated"
""it simply keeps the party going."[40]" Punctation should be outside quote for consistency, once again.
"made the cut on several lists of best songs of the year" → "was listed by several publications as being among the best songs of the year"
The best songs lists should have their own paragraph as part of accolades instead, place the para separately above awards/nominations.
"Spin, Winston Cook-Wilson ranked the song at number 61 saying that" "Spin, the publication ranked the song at number 61 and Winston Cook-Wilson said that" - it is a list compiled by the staff of Spin, Cook-Wilson only wrote about that and three of them.
"another bonafide [sic] hip-shaker" → "another bonafide hip-shaker" as quotes should not words inserted whatsoever in this section for consistency on reviews.
Remove WikiLink to "Uptown Funk" as it already exists in a previous section.
"best song of 2016, tying with" → "best song of 2016, tied with"

Done

Accolades

"The recording was nominated" → "The song was nominated"
"In the same year, it lost the award" → "That same year, it lost the award" as you already used "In the same year" a few sentences prior to this

Done

Sub-section looks good now

Commercial performance

Section belongs in-between music video and live performances

Not done none of my GA's have it like that, besides is there any rule on wiki for that?

"the Dance Club Songs chart and Dance/Mix Show Airplay." → "the Dance Club Songs and Dance/Mix Show Airplay charts."
"on the week of December 31, 2016" → "for the week of December 31, 2016"
"The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) certified it five times platinum. Music Canada (MC) certified it four times platinum.[64][65]" Invoke ref 64 at the end of the first sentence; use 65 at the end of the second.
"debuted at number one on France's singles chart for the week ending October 15, 2016.[67] The Syndicat National de l'Édition Phonographique (SNEP) certified it diamond.[68]" → "debuted at number one on France's Syndicat National de l'Édition Phonographique (SNEP) chart for the week ending October 15, 2016.[67] It was certified diamond by the SNEP.[68]"
"In its third week in Argentina" → "In its third week on the Argentinan Monitor Latino chart"
"peaked at number one spending two weeks" → "peaked at number one, spending two weeks"
"In Australia, "24K Magic" debuted at number 12 on the chart, and peaked at number three." → "In Australia, "24K Magic" debuted at number 12 on the ARIA Singles Chart, and ultimately peaked at number three."
"The recording has been certified five times platinum" → "The song has been certified five times platinum"
"number four in Portugal" → "number four on the Portuguese Singles Chart"
"In Scotland, it also peaked at the top five" → "On the Scottish Singles Chart, it also peaked at the top five"
"the top five in Spain" → "the top five of the Spanish Top 100"
", and it peaked at number six" → ", and peaked at number six"
"it entered the top ten by peaking at number nine" → "it entered the top ten by peaking at number nine on the Singles Top 75"
"despite only peaking at number 16 on the chart" → "despite only peaking at number 16 on the FIMI Singles Chart"
"The recording peaked at number two" → "The track peaked at number two"
Numerous countries are missing; you don't have to write in detail about the commercial performance of each one, apart from Venezuela they all saw "24K Magic" in the top 40 so you could write "It also entered the top 40 in..." and ref Venezuela in a separate sentence.

Done apart from the last one. There is no point in writing everything the song peaked almost everywhere around the world, this is just a summary of the highest peaks and certifications. If a reader is looking for a certain country they have the table below. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 19:15, 14 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Music video

Retitle Music videos as there was two

Done

Development and synopsis

WikiLink Las Vegas
"Some of the shot locations" → "Some of the filming locations"
"its steps are lowered" → "the jet's steps are lowered"
"his golden jewellery; rings, necklaces chain, and sunglasses" → "his golden jewellery that consists of rings, necklaces chain, and sunglasses"
"His band, The Hooligans feature" → "His band, The Hooligans, feature"
Change target of "twerk" to Twerking
"in the famous Fountains of the Bellagio hotel" → "in the Fountains of the Bellagio hotel" as you have already mentioned its name earlier in the para so makes no sense to call it famous at the later part and the info is redundant either way
WikiLink Victoria's Secret
"music video with Victoria’s Secrets Angels, was released" → "music video, with Victoria's Secrets Angels, was released"

Done

Sub-section looks good now

Reception

"like tracksuits, gold chains and snapbacks, among others." → "including the likes of tracksuits, gold chains and snapbacks, among others."
"Mars could not stop showing off how rich he is." → "Daly pointed out how Mars could not stop showing off how rich he is."
"At the 2017 MTV Video Music Awards, it received three nominations for..." → "At the 2017 MTV Video Music Awards, it received nominations for..."
"In the same year, the video received" → "That same year, the video received"
"at the Nickelodeon Kids' Choice Awards" → "at the 2017 Nickelodeon Kids' Choice Awards"
"As of March 2019, the video has over 1.1 billion views on YouTube.[102]" YouTube isn't really a good source for this even though it shows exact views because they're going up constantly. Billboard reported it reaching one billion in June 2018 source which is better to use because it's a much more reliable source and reaching one billion should be reported, not 1.1 as it'll reach 1.2 million eventually probably. So just write "The video reach 1 billion views on YouTube in June 2018." with the ref being Billboard.

Done despite that all the articles use te YouTube source, but I guess your poing is valid enough.

Sub-section looks good now

Live performances

"Daniel Kreps of Rolling Stone magazine" → "Daniel Kreps of Rolling Stone"
"praised the performance, writing it was a party" → "praised the performance, writing that it was a party"
"vibe for the "Nae Nae generation."" Punctuation should be outside of quote
"He also performed live on The X Factor UK" → "He also performed "24K Magic" live on The X Factor UK"
"The singer performed the title track" → "Mars performed the song" You said the singer last sentence and using the track, the song and the single to ref "24K Magic" is enough
"Mars sung "24K Magic" on November 6, 2016, at the" → "The singer performed "24K Magic" on November 6, 2016, at the"
"praised his show saying it was" → "praised his show, saying it was"
"Later, on November 11" → "Later that month, on November 11"
"at 2016 NRJ Music Awards" → "at the 2016 NRJ Music Awards"
"the stage that featured an electric blue background and pyro" → "the stage, which featured an electric blue background and pyro"
"November 30, the singer performed on the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show 2016, aired on CBS. He performed during the "Bright Night Angel" segment.[114]" → "On November 30, the singer performed it on the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show 2016, aired on CBS. His performance was part of the "Bright Night Angel" segment.[114]"
""24K Magic" was the second song on the set list" → "The track was the second song on the set list"

Done

Use in other media

"Conor Maynard and Alex Aiono covered "24K Magic" in a sing-off." → "Conor Maynard and Alex Aiono covered "24K Magic" in a February 2017 sing-off."
"Kendrick Lamar's single "Loyalty" (2017) featuring Rihanna, on his album Damn (2017)" → "Kendrick Lamar's Rihanna-featuring single "Loyalty", on his album Damn (2017)" Don't need to state (2017) twice in the sentence.

Not done sounds awful. On top of that, the possessive should be on the last person.

WikiLink Germany's Next Top Model when it is first mentioned instead
"Hershey featured the song in a commercial" → "Hershey featured the song in a 2018 commercial" Be more consistent with the date information.
"Rosewood (2015)" → "Rosewood (2016)"

Not done The show started in 2015.

Put television shows in chronological order

Not done It's in chronological order, the date between brackets its when the show was first aired, it didn't appear on the debut episode of a 2013 series. However, it made an appearance later and the date that aired it's correct.

"The recording is also featured in the video game" → "The track is featured in the video game"

The rest was Done

Formats and track listings

Good

Credits and personnel

Good

Charts

Weekly charts

Remove Columbia and Israel as the sources are dead and so are the archives that have been added. I searched them at the Wayback machine but the information is not archived so it can't be replaced.
- I have made this fix myself as it's minor.

Year-end charts

Israel archives don't source the info so remove them.
Hungary (Rádiós Top 40) is not necessary as you've already added the top 40; you only added that in Weekly charts so do the same here
- I have made these fixes myself as they're minor.

Certifications

Change Certified units/Sales for United States to 1,722,000, though keep 5x Platinum as the certification but insert this number as that is pure sales. See "Stronger" for how to do this.

Done for you as you seemed to have not responded to this after a few days and it's only a minor edit.

Just give me time, I will address everything. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 14:18, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oh right fair enough

Release history

Why no mention of the Promo Vinyl referenced in Formats and track listings?

Done forgot to add it.

Section looks good now

References

Ref 6 should be The New York Times not New York Times
Change ref 14 to using Twitter as being invoked with work instead of via

Twitter is not work. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 20:20, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Cite as website then as it looks awkward to have "via Twitter"

What do you mean? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 13:29, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

How many articles using Twitter as a source put "via Twitter"? Very few, just use it as a website... --Kyle Peake (talk) 15:51, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Remove WikiLink for ref 32's work
Ref 35 and ref 41 shouldn't have Idolator italicized
Unlink Variety in ref 120

Done

Final comments and verdict

Good job working on this, just needs the issues to all be fixed and until they are I'll keep this On hold. One other comment though: do you think you could add a second image to the article, as if you look throughout the sections I'm sure there's an appropriate place for one and I bring this up because for such a large GA, it would look even better with two or more images. --Kyle Peake (talk) 16:46, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What kind of image? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 20:22, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Looking through, no images are needed actually. It's fine on a second thought. Kyle Peake (talk) 21:04, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Everything looks good right now, just need to edit the commercial performance section and this article's ready to go. --Kyle Peake (talk) 12:57, 14 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Kyle Peake: please take a look at the changes and question see if you agree I still have to adress one last issue. But that will be later on. There is still much stuff you need to revise. Greetings! MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 19:16, 14 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@MarioSoulTruthFan: You don't need to write about each country separately as I explained, you can summarize parts of it. But others GAs where the song has been a hit in many countries reference them all, so you should do this here for in-depth coverage. Understand? --Kyle Peake (talk) 07:32, 15 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Kyle Peake: But the song wasn't a hit on Venezuela, Poland or Slovakia. I will, however, add other top 10's but that's about it. It is Done please check everything else before passing. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 12:11, 15 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@MarioSoulTruthFan: Yeah I suppose you have a point, for others GAs like "Boyfriend" and "On the Floor" that are this popular, not every country is mentioned. I'll take a look through to see if I can pass the article though. --Kyle Peake (talk) 13:13, 15 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Made a few fixes, but I will now gladly ✓ Pass this! --Kyle Peake (talk) 13:17, 15 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.