Talk:Alexandrian Wicca/Archive 1

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"Sanders' negative publicity"

References to the "negative publicity" apparently gained by Alex Sanders need to be explained. There is no Wiki article for either of the Sanders, so one cannot make the excuse that this is an issue better left to those articles. To mention some sort of controversy without ANY explanation whatsoever is meaningless. If no one can delineate the issue, then all references to it should be removed. Canonblack 06:12, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

There is now an article on Sanders. But I am still amazed that after almost a year and a half nothing has been done to clarify the "controversy" in this article! I will try to find details but if someone beats me to posting details great! Toyalla 03:45, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

There's a lot to do here, unfortunately, and we have relatively few good editors and researchers chipping away at these articles. Details of Sanders' "negative publicity" can be found at the Alex Sanders article. Basically he was a terrible flirt with the media and made all sorts of wild claims. The Crowthers, to whom he was looking for initiation into Wicca, decided to have nothing to do with him after he managed to get Wicca onto the front page of the newspapers with some bizarre ritual which involved a purported "raising of the dead". He was seen by the Gardnerian community as an upstart. If I find some time I can try to put these details in here with references, but that could be weeks or months away... If you feel like making a start you'd be more than welcome! Fuzzypeg☻ 03:34, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

New Alexandrian degree?

I just cut:

In 1967 Sanders was invested with the role of Grand Prior for England and Wales of the Ordine Della Luna in Constantinople, a chivalric rite of allegedly Greco-Byzantine origin: this Order became the vehicle for his high magical activities focussed on lunar and stellar mysteries and lineal scions of this Order in a number of countries are still operating and advancing its magical work which can be regarded as a special 'degree' within the Alexandrian stream.

...from the article. Is there any mention of such a degree in mainstream accounts of Alexandrian Wicca? Is there any reliable source that we can cite for this? Jkelly 18:14, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

There is extant paperwork, currently part of the collection at the Museum of Witchcraft in Boscastle, that contains info about the Ordine Della Luna. I would say it is as valid as anything, though not necessarily seen as a 'Fourth Degree'. I personally would say it needs to go back. John Mitchell (a 2nd line - 3º - Alexandrian Initiate) Mitchelljohn93 (talk) 16:07, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

It's a very specific claim and arguably needs citing to some kind of reliable secondary source. Has it been mentioned in any published articles, biographies etc of Alex? If there is a source at Boscastle then it might do if it's in a form we can cite, although it may be straying close to original research. Either way, I'd agree it shouldn't be described as a 'Fourth Degree'. Kim Dent-Brown ^(Talk) 16:13, 9 February 2011 (UTC) (2° Gardnerian - merry meet!)

There is currently a database being compiled – by two local Alexandrians – at the Museum, which is putting together all of the Alex Sanders' paperwork, which has been given to the museum over the past 10-11 years. It is currently only open to those doing genuine research and is not available for general perusal. Sadly, the published biographies as yet won't feature it – however, work done by the Hexagon Archive in 2000 is featured here http://webspace.webring.com/people/ub/boucca_society/alexandderek.html There is now a website, started by Anthony Allard Ph.D who was involved with the project. http://nova.freeoda.com/Index.html which explains things better. Mitchelljohn93 (talk) 09:56, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

The word "tradition" occurs 25 times

This seems a little excessive, and the only reason I tallied it was that it quickly becomes annoying to read. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.119.171.18 (talk) 21:13, 3 March 2010 (UTC) Does it matter? It is a 'Tradition' within Wicca.

John Mitchell Mitchelljohn93 (talk) 16:08, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

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