Talk:Aqueduct

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Primary meaning[edit]

Currently aqueduct just points at this page. But surely the primary topic is a bridge or viaduct over a gap or valley i.e. aqueduct (bridge)? --Bermicourt (talk) 19:11, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

There was a discussion at Talk:Aqueduct that split the article into two articles - aqueduct (watercourse) and aqueduct (bridge). Consensus there was that neither is the primary topic. -Niceguyedc Go Huskies! 06:34, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
See the discussion at Talk:Aqueduct/version 2#Split proposal (2) and Talk:Aqueduct/version 2#Suggested split. The perceived meaning of aqueduct within English is quite regionally specific. In some localities, as you note, it is aqueduct (bridge), in others it is aqueduct (watercourse) and here in Britain it's generally navigable aqueduct. The end result was a somewhat disastrous listed-based article [1] mostly listing locations of aqueduct (watercourse) but almost entirely illustrated by Roman aqueducts of type aqueduct (bridge)! —Sladen (talk) 12:02, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
It should be feasible to determine if there is a true primary topic here, once the new articles have stabilised and the links are sorted. My gut feeling is there is no primary topic but time is needed to work it out.--Nilfanion (talk) 18:49, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
There's a strong American usage for it as an (artificial) watercourse, which certainly corresponds to the classical usage before the perfecting of pipes. The trouble is that all that remains from the classical world (in Europe) are the bridges, which are so photogenic that they got in the way of anything else. And bridges for (primarily) carrying boats are different again. None of these could hold it as primary. Chris55 (talk) 19:01, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

List of aqueducts[edit]

I'm not sure if this should be posted here on Talk:Aqueduct (watercourse) but I'll do it here as most people will still have this on their watchlist.

The above named article needs attention due to the splitting of the aqueduct articles. There's already confusion on the talk page as to the coverage of the article. Anyone care to make a proposal? Chris55 (talk) 15:10, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Scope[edit]

Incase this gets deleted again, here's the water-related things that need sorting/out shuffling. The arrangement is arbitrary, there are probably better ways of structuring this, and those can be hopefully sorted out in time.

  • Aqueduct (bridge), a bridge that is constructed to convey water over an obstacle, such as a ravine or valley
    • Navigable aqueduct (or water bridge), a water-filled bridge enabling boats, barges or ships on a waterway to cross over an obstacle, such as a ravine or valley
  • Aqueduct (watercourse), an artificial (man-made) channel that is constructed to convey water from one location to another. This can be made of canals, pipelines, inverted siphons, reservoirs and tunnels
    • Acequia, medium-size artificial irrigation water supply systems constructed in south-west Europe and South America, to catch snow melt run-off.
    • Canal, medium-to-large artificial channels,
      • Power canal, large artificial water supply for hydroelectric production
      • Waterway, including canals used for navigation by boats
    • Chute (gravity), a highly-inclined watercourse
    • Flume, raised artificial channel above the ground to include flow velocity
      • Log flume, specialised for the movement of uncut timber
    • Mill race, small artificial water supply for powering waterwheels
      • Leat, small artificial water supply for powering waterwheels in Great Britain
    • Pipeline transport, fully enclosed artificial watercourse often forming part of a longer watercourse
      • Siphon, an enclosed artificial pipeline via a lower point to cross a valley, or river, instead of a high-level water bridge
    • Power canal, large artificial water supply for hydroelectric production
    • Rill, small lined artificial water supply or diversion systems
    • Roman aqueduct, artificial drinking-water supply systems constructed during the Roman-era, and most visibly signified by elaborate water bridges across valleys
    • Water tunnel (physical infrastructure), fully enclosed underground space that may carry an artificial watercourse underneath an obstacle as part of a longer watercourse
      • Qanāt, small artificial supply systems in Asia and North Africa often having dead-ended water tunnels

Are there any that I've missed? —Sladen (talk) 21:35, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Probably, check the categories. Note that this is a disambiguation page and not a worklist for WPedians. Just about every entry above should be removed from the page itself as inappropriate. My understanding is there should be the 3 (watercourse/bridge/navigable bridge), and only those 3 topics on the dab page. The worklist-type tasks here, while significant, should not be done in article-space (which is for readers only). A temporary exception to that may be helpful, if that aids with disambiguating incoming links here.--Nilfanion (talk) 21:54, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
Some more:
  • Puquios, underground water systems in Peru
  • Aryk, an artificial channel for redirecting water in Central Asia
Sladen (talk) 10:22, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

In the soup that is knowledge exchange I am prepared to accept inconsistencies where they aid the exchange of information. Having aquaduct as a page that expands on the scope the word and then the sub-pages to explore in detail each instance seems to be a valid organisation of this topic, for this example and in this case where the term has both a history and a relevant current existence. For example - Rill has both a natural and an artificial (man-made) definition. Having the natural (fluvial) described in one page and and the artificial (aqueduct) somewhere else reduces understanding in defense of the regimented and pedantic. Not only that but it would incur a maintenance burden as there will always be someone new (i.e. me) who comes in, sees the missing information and tries to add it. Stellar (talk) 00:02, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes, but that's not the purpose of this page: That's the purpose of aqueduct (water supply) and the articles under it, as all the terms listed above are of that type of aqueduct (and not bridges). It should be possible to get to all these articles through natural linkage from that article - or subarticles - not from this article.--Nilfanion (talk) 00:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress[edit]

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Aqueduct (water supply) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 07:31, 1 March 2013 (UTC)