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German Brazilians and Austrian Brazilians[edit]

This should be merged with German Brazilians. Lehoiberri (talk) 18:40, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Movimento migratório pelo Porto de Santos/SP de 1908 à 1936

Nacionalidades Entradas Saídas Famílias Avulsos Casados Solteiros Viúvos

Austríacos

              15.041    7.180   2.325      5.059    5.724   9.050       267

if 15.041 entered Brazil between 1908 and 1936 how come just 5.000? http://www.memorialdoimigrante.sp.gov.br/historico/e5.htm

http://www.memorialdoimigrante.sp.gov.br/historico/index.htm

Just merge it with German-Brazilians[edit]

This page is nothing more than an useless waste of Wikipedia space. Austrians contribute nothing to Brazil's culture and history. In fact, Austrians who immigrated to Brazil were viewed as Germans and they assimilated to the German Brazilian culture. Many famous people of Austrian descent in Brazil, like Xuxa, are not viewed as Austrian Brazilian, but are viewed as German Brazilian. Just delete this page and merge the info to German-Brazilian. Lehoiberri (talk) 21:25, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any references to show that Austrian Brazilians view themselves as German Brazilians? Austrians understandably do not like to be thought of as Germans, so it'd be good to have some references showing that Austrian Brazilians don't have similar misgivings about being thought of as German Brazilians. Klausness (talk) 13:53, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, before World War II, Austrians used to consider themselves as "Germans" (note that Adolf Hitler was Austrian). The "Austrian" identity only came out after World War II.

So, those people who came to Brazil from Austria were more related to Germans than to a separate Austrian identity. Opinoso (talk) 16:25, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, Austria was independent of Germany before World War II as well, and it had its own identity (and empire) distinct from that of Germany. The sense of Austrian identity may have been strengthened after World War II, but it was definitely there before, and Austrians (aside from various pan-Germanist fringes, including nazis) did not consider themselves as Germans. As for Hitler, he renounced his Austrian citizenship to become German, so it's at least debatable whether he was Austrian -- he certainly identified himself as German and not Austrian, unlike most Austrians befoe and after World War II. Klausness (talk) 17:11, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We are talking about Brazilians of Austrian descent, not Austrians from Austria. And what I know, Austrian Brazilians are viewed as German Brazilians in Brazil because the Austrian community is fully integrated in the German Brazilian culture. In fact, Austrian lived in the same cities and towns with the Germans. The only town in Brazil that is fully Austrian is Treze Tílias, and that is only one town. It is true that during the 1800s, Austrians viewed themselves as ethnic Germans, and most Austrian who immigrated to Brazil immigrated around the late 1800s. I am not shock that the descendants of the immigrants also view themselves as Germans. Lehoiberri (talk) 01:24, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it may be true that Austrian Brazilians see themselves as German Brazilians, but I'd want to see some references to show that, since it's far from obvious that this would be the case. It seems to me that having an entire town in Brazil that's basically Austrian is unusual enough to make it notable. Also, I would disagree that during the 1800s Austrians viewed themselves as Germans. Of course, I wasn't there then, but based on what I know about Austrian history, it doesn't seem correct. Klausness (talk) 11:05, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore, it's like merging Mexican-American and Argentine-American just because they both happen to have emigrated from a Spanish-speaking country to the USA and may now consider themselves to be "Hispanic-American" instead of Mexican/Argentine. It does not make any sense. Indeed, if there are references to show of Austrian-Brazilians now seeing themselves as German-Brazilians it's logical that the articles are indeed merged. However, before that I have to say I agree with Klausness. LightPhoenix (talk) 10:28, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How about this solution. Instead of merging this article with German Brazilian, how about merging it with the article of Treze Tílias. The only area that is Austrian in Brazil is that town. How about that? Lehoiberri (talk) 22:10, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Treze Tílias article seems really poor, and this Austrian Brazilian article is another nonsense Skanter article. Opinoso (talk) 03:11, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]