Talk:Az-Zeeb
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Question
[edit]"There is no records that show az-Zib was populated during the early Islamic Caliphate era,[1]"
What does Khalidi say exactly? Because this source [1] says that,
"Foritifications and occupational levels were discovered at Achzib from the Middle Bronze Age II through the Roman period, as well as from the early Middle Ages, when Arab geographers were referring to the place as az-Zīb, and from the Crusader period, when the site was known as Casal Imbert or Castellum Ziph."
Now the two are not necessarily contradictory, since the "early Middle Ages" may predate the "early Islamic Caliphate". However, we should mention the ruins from this period and note that Arab geographers were calling it by this name at this time. Another source indicates the etymological relationship between Achzib and Zib here [2] which may also be worth mentioning.
Anyway, if Al Ameer son or someone else could re-copy what Khalidi says about this subject here, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks. Tiamuttalk 17:06, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
- He doesn't exactly say that there was no records. I'll remove that sentence. This is what he says:
The Romans called it Ecdippa and the Crusaders either Casal (small citadel) Lambertie or Imbert. The Arab geographer Ibn Jubayr, who toured the area in 1182-84, said only that the village lay between Acre and Tyre. [Cited in Le Strange 1965;555] Later another Arab geographer Yaqut al-Hamawi...
- I looked into the le Strange book (p.555), and used the info there (which gave more info than Khalidi) and added that to the article. I think the Middle Ages described above was the 1180s, but I could be wrong. --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:30, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
- Hey Al Ameer son. Generally the Middle Ages spans the 5th to 16th centuries CE, and Early Middle Ages refers to the period between the 5th and 10th. That would be before the time period you are thinking of. I assume early Islamic Caliphate would begin in the 7th, but where it ends, I don't know. Anyway, thanks for changing the wording to be more in line with the source. I'll begin adding stuff from the list below soon. Tiamuttalk 22:48, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
- Oops, missed the "early" part. Looking forward to your additions! --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:52, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Also, just posting some links here that I think would be useful. We might want to consider discussing Casal Cambert in more detail in a separate article, since it seems to have been a wholly independent settlement. I will probably add info from these here soon, but if anyone is interested in using them too, here they are:
Cheers. Tiamuttalk 17:15, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
References
- ^ Khalidi, 1992, p.35.
Crusader-sources,
[edit]@Theodyl: Currently we have in the article: "after Hubert of Pacy which held the casale and is documented in 1108" sourced to to Murray, 2000, p. 210, which I do not have.
Pringle, however, states that it was first mentioned in Crusader sources in 1123; could someone please check Murrey? Huldra (talk) 22:43, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
Commonname
[edit]Looking at the references, the commonname appears to be Zib, not Zeeb. Any comments? Bromley86 (talk) 20:26, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
Capture of Az-Zeeb
[edit]According to reports in the Hebrew press, 25 Arab fighters were killed in Az-Zeeb. The booty included weapons and munitions, as well as loot from the Yehiam convoy. In 1945 the population of the village numbered 1,910, all Muslim. --ארינמל (talk) 21:11, 23 September 2017 (UTC)