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GA Review[edit]

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Initial review[edit]

There are significant issues with this article. None of my suggestions are mandates, so don't feel compelled to change anything if you disagree. It is an interesting biography. Although there are a number of issues, nothing insurmountable so I am putting the article on hold. Any reasonable method of commenting what items you have completed or addressed will be fine. I will have this page on my watchlist, and will monitor as it progresses. Any questions, comments can be posted here. Mitico (talk) 20:27, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

  1. Is it reasonably well written?
    A. Prose quality:
    see section by section breakdown below
    B. MoS compliance:
    some minor issues addressed below
  2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
    A. References to sources:
    B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
    C. No original research:
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. Major aspects:
    B. Focused:
  4. Is it neutral?
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. Is it stable?
    No edit wars, etc:
  6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
    A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
    B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
    Not applicable
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:
    On hold for now


Prose[edit]

Lead
Ok Mitico (talk) 20:53, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Athlete at University of Michigan
Football

*Wikilink Northwestern University

Did you consider: Illinois Fighting Illini ? Mitico (talk) 20:53, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Basketball
Baseball
Coaching career at Michigan
Coaching record
A Michigan man for life
Honors and awards
I understand, but in case someone doesn't want to click a wikilink, its nice to give some context. I think it is clearer now. Mitico (talk) 20:53, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, but the audience is a broader group. I like the changes you made here. Mitico (talk) 20:53, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

MOS[edit]

References[edit]

  • What I meant, was should the external links section be removed since they are being used as a ref per MOS: "Articles can include an external links section at the end to list links to websites outside Wikipedia that contain further information, as opposed to citing sources." I'll defer to you here. I think I would have it in one section or the other. Mitico (talk) 20:53, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • #3 Template seems oddly formatted resulting in text = "Michigan Today 20 (05): 5" a) Is that right? b) How large is this pdf? To download would take a long time.
  • #4 Sporting news a) publication date? b) cite #17 gives Sporting News publisher as "NBC Universal" - should this be consistent?
  • #5 Hickok Sports - when I attempted this load this site, my antivirus software denied access stating "Reported Attack Site!" Is this a reliable site? Or reliable source? Is there anything you have cited to this site that can't be cited elsewhere? I also note that this site is in the external links section which seems redundant.

Neutral[edit]

Final concerns[edit]

At this point, I have only one major concern... The Hickok Sports reference & external link. On a different computer, I received a warning (this one from Google (i believe) stating that this site had potentially harmful malware. Has this site has been recently hijacked or something, but two warnings from two separate computers really has me concerned.

Only have have three other minor questions:

  1. Open from "baseball" above: why is "Alpha Sigma Phi fraternity" is being mention in the baseball section. Would it fit better in "Personal Life"? I realize this makes the baseball section ultra-short.
    1. O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 18:21, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  2. The sentence "Friedman was also a skilled passer, once throwing for touchdowns of twenty and fifty yards in a match against rival Ohio State University" Seems trivial to mention Friedman's talent here. Can't we assume that Friednman was a skilled passer as quarterback (even in the dawn of the forward pass). Could this comment be about Oosterbann?
    1. Yes in the 1927 game after Friedman went to the NFL Oosterbaan quarterbacked a game.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 18:21, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Is there a cite for "Oosterbaan was also named to the Football Writers Association of America All-Time All-American team in 1974."
    1. I can't seem to find anything. Do you want me to remove it?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 23:04, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • At this point, I don't believe it is verifiable. I ran multiple searches on Google news archives, and couldn't find any article for Oosterbaan, all-time, & all-american in the entire 1970's. In the 1950's there were plenty of articles - but you covered this with the Grantland Rice comments. Mitico (talk) 13:52, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Once the Hickok Sports issue is resolved I see no issues with the is article being promoted. Mitico (talk) 20:53, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  1. The Hickok site seems to have numbers that I can not find anywhere else. What do you suggest that I do with the remaining two citations with important numbers.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 23:19, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I just tried to access directly to the site's main page, and can confirm a trojan virus. I certainly do not think that we should be linking in any way to a site that has viruses.
  1. The basketball stats in the article differ from the ones here [1] (maybe conference vs nonconference games?). Suggest removing the Hickok ref and using the UM numbers and state: "He led the Big Ten Conference in field goals in his junior (50 field goals) and senior (57 77) year and in scoring (129 178 points) in his senior year.
  2. I was hoping that [[2]] would list Oosterbaan, but it only goes back to 1939. Unfortunately, I would drop the batting average.
If you would like a 2nd opinion on the accessibility & use of the Hickok site, I am open to that. Are you not troubles with this site? Mitico (talk) 13:52, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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