Talk:Bronze- and Iron-Age Poland/GA3
GA Review
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- Begin GA Review Ling.Nut (talk) 12:55, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
- I have been reading this article off and on for a couple days now!
- The whole idea of a "Bronze Age Poland" is strange. Poland didn't exist until... not sure when, but certainly in the modern age... and what's worse, there is no proof that the people who were in that geographic region during the Bronze/Iron Ages were the ancestors of the Poles. There were certainly Celts and Slavs and.... so on. You may want to rethink the entire premise of the article, or at least do a better job of explaining the uncertainties involved.
- This article would benefit tremendously from the creation of a timeline showing all the cultures listed as subtopics. Maps would be nice, as well.
- Not too happy about the fact that essentially the entire article was built from one source... do you have access to God's Playground? Strongly recommend that you compare that source to this one, from top to bottom. Also recommend that you employ God's Playground extensively in this article.
- I have no idea how authoritative the source you used is. From what little I've read, there's a split between German and Polish archaeologists on several topics covered herein. I didn't notice any untoward preponderance of pro-Polish POV, but that doesn't mean it isn't there. I am not well informed at all on these issues. Ling.Nut (talk) 14:18, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
- Some subsections, such as Strzyżów culture and Płonia group, are only one sentence long. I'm not sure they warrant subsections of their own.
- I'm just not getting the whole article, in terms of coherence. It's hard to keep track of times and places (see comments about timelines and maps; also need to add more explanatory body text. The whole article seems like a collection of facts that has not been given sufficient logical connection etc.
- I'm gonna FAIL GA... although I very seriously considered passing it, since GA is not FA. It is not even near FA level, in my opinion. It still needs a great deal of work on its coherence etc.. it also needs work on the quality and variety of its sources... Good luck. Ling.Nut (talk) 04:13, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
- The article summarizes the results of archeological research about the Bronze Age era within the territory that now constitutes Poland. It has nothing to do with the existence of Poland. It is about the past of the lands where Polish archeologists presently work and it is based on textbook and popular summaries of the results of their research. It should be useful as a summary of human prehistory in this part of Europe. The article makes no claims as to the ancestry of the Poles, or about the Celts, Slavs etc. It states that there is no reliable knowledge about the ethnicities involved during the Bronze Age period. It does not go into any subjects of potential traditional German-Polish disagreements; it speaks in terms of archeological cultures. "God's Playground" is not particularly relevant here. The article is mostly based on newer research and book chapters written by archeologists specializing in the area; older general history books are not a reliable source. May be the article is a "collection of facts" and I'm sure it could be improved in a number of ways, given enough time and labor. I don't know how to do those longer dashes :). Orczar (talk) 17:07, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
- I fixed the dashes. I mentioned God's playground because the source I was looking at quoted Davies extensively. However, there are tons of other sources about the Bronze and Iron Ages in Europe... If you think it should be GA, then take it to Wikipedia:Good article reassessment. All the best, Ling.Nut (talk) 19:22, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not disputing the GA thing. I'll get back to the article eventually, do more work on it.Orczar (talk) 21:00, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
- I fixed the dashes. I mentioned God's playground because the source I was looking at quoted Davies extensively. However, there are tons of other sources about the Bronze and Iron Ages in Europe... If you think it should be GA, then take it to Wikipedia:Good article reassessment. All the best, Ling.Nut (talk) 19:22, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
- The article summarizes the results of archeological research about the Bronze Age era within the territory that now constitutes Poland. It has nothing to do with the existence of Poland. It is about the past of the lands where Polish archeologists presently work and it is based on textbook and popular summaries of the results of their research. It should be useful as a summary of human prehistory in this part of Europe. The article makes no claims as to the ancestry of the Poles, or about the Celts, Slavs etc. It states that there is no reliable knowledge about the ethnicities involved during the Bronze Age period. It does not go into any subjects of potential traditional German-Polish disagreements; it speaks in terms of archeological cultures. "God's Playground" is not particularly relevant here. The article is mostly based on newer research and book chapters written by archeologists specializing in the area; older general history books are not a reliable source. May be the article is a "collection of facts" and I'm sure it could be improved in a number of ways, given enough time and labor. I don't know how to do those longer dashes :). Orczar (talk) 17:07, 27 May 2009 (UTC)