Talk:Brunner syndrome

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Medical guidelines[edit]

Please see WP:MEDMOS and WP:MEDRS for how to organize and source medical articles.

This Dispatch is helpful in locating the correct kinds of sources (secondary reviews): Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-06-30/Dispatches.

This template filler is helpful in generating citations from a PubMed identified (PMID). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:34, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Text removed[edit]

I have shortened text that was given WP:UNDUE weight based on journal letters (not reviews), and removed a large patch of text that better belongs in some other legal article. From this version, the "critique of Brunner was all sourced to letters to the editor, and the entire Implications in Law section belongs in some other legal article, with only a brief mention here. Also, please review WP:MEDMOS on article structure. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:35, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

I have had to remove off-topic text from here for the second time. This article is about the condition, and should follow WP:MEDMOS and WP:MEDRS, which provides for mention of the legal/genetic issues under "Society and culture". However, the broader legal/genetic/criminal issues do not belong in this article: if you want to write that text, please find an article on Wikipedia that deals with the genetic/criminal/legal issue, which is broader than Brunner syndrome. The sources used here are not about Brunner as much as they are about the broader issue. Category:Medical genetics would be a starting place for finding where to write that text, as would Category:Criminal law. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:28, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
Brunner syndrome has a direct connection to genetic/criminal/legal issues and the consequences of it's application in society should be on the page. It forms the basis of arguments regarding the debate in courts. This evidence has all been collected for a university project already approved by a Professor at the University of Western Ontario.
We are currently in the process of including evidence that supports Brunner's findings as well as evidence against it. However, the work was deleted before we could include it. We will now work in sandbox so this does not occur again.
Please consider the relevance of the debate in this article, as it is not at all "off-topic". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rivaridley (talkcontribs) 18:42, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
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The legal issues and the implications for this condition are mentioned on this page; the entire legal/genetic/medical issue, however, is beyond the scope of this one condition and belongs in another article. Whether a University has "approved some project" has no bearing on Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Please find another article for discussing the broader issues; that article can be linked in this article. Working in sandbox towards something that is likely to be deleted, or will need to be moved, is not a good use of anyone's time, and your approach sounds like WP:SYN and WP:OR. Your time will be better spent to write the text in the correct article the first time-- that is, an article that deals with the entire issue of using genetic defects as a criminal defense, of which this one condition forms a part. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:58, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Educational project[edit]

By the way, since this page is part of an educational project, the talk page should be displaying the project tag at the top-- please add it. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:59, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

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