Talk:California State Route 67

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Should the article include a list of fatalities on this highway?

Forty-six people died in crashes on that stretch from Jan. 1, 1998, through March 31, 2008, said Charles Gray, a senior transportation engineer with the San Diego District of the California Department of Transportation.

The number of fatal crashes is slightly above the state's average for roadways of similar size and length, Gray said. The number of fatalities jumped in both 2005 and 2006, greater than any of the previous years, the engineer noted.

Gray said he could not compare the safety of two-lane roads to other types of roads, like interstates or parkways, because there are too many variables that affect safety on each type.

Nichols, Chris (30 March 2009). "RAMONA: Young mother latest to die on stretch of Highway 67". North County Times. North County Times - Californian,. Retrieved 9 September 2009. 

--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 00:10, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

No, WP:NOT a memorial. --Rschen7754 23:27, 3 April 2010 (UTC)


At the present time, "route description" section of the article mentions several geographical locales (Moreno, Foster, Rosemont, Rock Haven) which seem to be obsolete or at least highly obscure. I am local to the area and I don't recognize any of these. They are certainly not incorporated cities (there are only 18 of them in the county). See Template:San Diego County, California for a list of all incorporated cities, unincorporated communities and CDPs. None of the 4 are known to the Census Bureau[1]. The only database where I could find these names is the USGS GNIS [2], which is basically a comprehensive compilation of geographic names from the late 1970s.

For all practical purposes, it would probably suffice to say that Route 67 goes through Lakeside, travels for 3 miles through the outskirts of Poway and then enters Ramona. San Diego County General Plan designates all land along Route 67 south of Poway as Lakeside Community Planning Area[3], and it designates all land along the route north of Poway as Ramona Community Planning Area[4]. Though Lakeside and Ramona CDPs are, strictly speaking, smaller, residents of those areas would still refer to themselves as being in Lakeside or Ramona (or possibly Poway), not Foster or Rock Haven. (E.g. [5], [6], [7].)--Itinerant1 (talk) 18:58, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

I see that all four names appear on the USGS 1:24000 topographical map from 1939. (Though calling them "towns" may have been stretching reality even then. "Foster" and "Moreno" are 3 to 5 houses each. "Rock Haven" is 3 houses halfway between Poway and Ramona.) The 1955 map has 3 houses in Foster, 3 houses in Moreno, and nothing in Rock Haven.--Itinerant1 (talk) 21:18, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
I assume that you are talking about the history, not the route description - because in the history, that is actually what the sources say, and we have to say what the sources say... plus, it is significant historical info, even though you may not like it. --Rschen7754 05:19, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
No, I'm talking specifically about the route description.--Itinerant1 (talk) 05:27, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, it seems that I missed it the first time. I've changed it to "locale" to better reflect reality. However, we still need to keep those in there so that people can understand the history. --Rschen7754