Talk:Carnival of Carnage/GA1
GA Review
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Reviewer: ɳorɑfʈ Talk! 06:21, 4 April 2010 (UTC) Review begun. Will get back to you tomorrow.
- Busy day at work, but I didn't forget you. Need 24 more hours. ɳorɑfʈ Talk! 12:54, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
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ɳorɑfʈ Talk! 23:35, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Alright, here we go:
Your background section isn't a background on the album, its a background on ICP. That is okay, but it should use the {{Main|Insane Clown Posse}} tag at the beginning of the section. In that section, try not to be vague. if you're going to say they became a target of growing violence, say what kind of violence and specifically why. Similarly, if you're going to mention that they did jail time, you should say for what crime(s).
Many GA's for Hip Hop albums have a Conception section that states how the album was conceived. Since the album conception isn't really covered in your background section, I think this article needs a Conception section.
Many GA's for Hip Hop albums also have an Influence section, which talks about what influence the album had on artists, the genre, music in general, or even people or systems outside music. For (an obvious) example, The Chronic#Influence talks about how the album launched the careers of Snoop Doggy Dogg, Daz Dillinger, Kurupt, Nate Dogg, and Warren G and redefined West Coast Hip Hop. Now, if Carnival of Carnage didn't have any influence on anyone or anything, then of course this isn't a section you have to include, but I think it has had some influence...
If your track listing doesn't include the samples, you should have a separate section called "Sample Credits" that lists the samples and their original artists.
That's a start. ɳorɑfʈ Talk! 22:50, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
- Merged "Background" and "Production" sections; added "Legacy" section. Added information on samples. (Sugar Bear (talk) 19:58, 7 April 2010 (UTC))
- I put them back. There wasn't anything about how the album was actually conceived in your "conception" section, (conception being idea or ideas that led to the album). What needs to go there is the stuff about the dream, how even after the dream led to the band's new name, it also led to the Dark Carnival mythology, the joker cards, how the album is the first card, etc. This is all part of how the album was conceived. Also, regarding the samples, you need more than two. Also, there's information from the main ICP article about the album that isn't in this one. Everything there should be here (plus of course more). ɳorɑfʈ Talk! 05:11, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
- Those two samples listed were the only two that are sourced. This album doesn't really use that many samples. There are a couple of bits from The Wizard of Oz on "Wizard of the Hood", but I can't find sources that state as such. I've asked Juggalobrink to take a look at your suggestions and work on the article a bit. (Sugar Bear (talk) 18:13, 9 April 2010 (UTC))
- I put them back. There wasn't anything about how the album was actually conceived in your "conception" section, (conception being idea or ideas that led to the album). What needs to go there is the stuff about the dream, how even after the dream led to the band's new name, it also led to the Dark Carnival mythology, the joker cards, how the album is the first card, etc. This is all part of how the album was conceived. Also, regarding the samples, you need more than two. Also, there's information from the main ICP article about the album that isn't in this one. Everything there should be here (plus of course more). ɳorɑfʈ Talk! 05:11, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
- I reorganized a lot of the material in similar fashion to Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers). Along with that, I've moved material into their appropriate section and added additional information. I will go through later and try to pick out any information that isn't necessary, especially in the "Background" section. As a note, the "Samples" section ideally would be labeled "Production," but I couldn't find any articles referring to the production style of the album. Juggalobrink (talk) 00:33, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
- Good stuff. The article is improving. The ICP article has a sample of one of the songs off this album. I'd swipe the code and stick it in this article as well if I were you. ɳorɑfʈ Talk! 00:43, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
- The sound clip has been added. Juggalobrink (talk) 15:42, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
- Good stuff. The article is improving. The ICP article has a sample of one of the songs off this album. I'd swipe the code and stick it in this article as well if I were you. ɳorɑfʈ Talk! 00:43, 10 April 2010 (UTC)