Talk:Carro Armato Celere Sahariano

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Wong name.

The vehicle never got a designation it was just called the Carro Armato Medio Celere "Sahariano".--Blockhaj (talk) 00:16, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Suspension

So, is it torsion bar suspension, as is stated in the article, or Christie suspension, which was used on the BT-5 & British cruiser tanks, also mentioned in the article, that used coil springs and not torsion bars ? Those claims seem to be mutually exclusive. Other sources claim a suspension system with coil springs that were mounted inside cylindrical drums (which are clearly visible between 1st and 2nd & 3d and 4th wheels) and worked in torsion, which suggests quite a unique design, actually. 5.164.213.158 (talk) 22:32, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Two accessible sources in the article do say Christie, the one that doesn't isn't accessible to check. The key elements of Christie are large road wheels and a lot of travel. In Soviet and British tanks, the long travel comes from long levers and coil springs. It's not inconceivable that a different combination of levers and springs (or even levers, springs and torsion bars) could achieve the same. And springs can be used in torsion not just compression/extension. The answer is probably in getting hold of other sources.GraemeLeggett (talk) 06:03, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The machine translation of the Italian wikipedia article Carro_armato_celere_sahariano does indicate it's a form of Christie but "The suspensions came from those Christie type with four wheels of large diameter, but there were some differences: two upper winding wheel wheels had been preserved and, above all, the bearing wheels had been coupled two to two and supported with twisting bars (not large helical springs with articulated arms,the system patented by engineer Christie)." But the translation also gives us "a front insane reprieve wheel." so we must have doubts about translation. The text is sourced to "Vincenzo Meleca, I carri armati poco conosciuti del Regio Esercito, Segrate (MI), Tracce PerLaMeta, 2015, ISBN 978-88-98643-36-3. " GraemeLeggett (talk) 06:25, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]