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Armament[edit]

While it was certainly standard for earlier Italian escort destroyers of the Spica and Pegaso classes to be completed with the twin 13.2mm AA machine-gun in three or four mountings, these always occupied the centreline and bridge wing positions which would later on be the same positions where the twin 20mm cannon would be mounted after re-equipping. As things stand, this article seems to suggest that the ships of this class were completed with both twin 20mm mountings (in the wing and centreline positions) and 13.2mm MGs as well. I have never seen any photographic evidence of this on vessels of the class (having fairly extensively photo-researched and modelled this ship) either at launch, brand new or in full commission. Nor have I ever seen a modeller add these light guns to their vessels. Is there any concrete supporting evidence for this element of the specifications, or were the ships perhaps originally slated to receive them but upgraded to 20mm prior to completion? 2A00:23C7:3119:AD01:B807:385C:F45D:B0AA (talk) 22:34, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The section detailing the three armament variants is dubious.

The provision of a third 3.9-inch gun to Monsone is especially so. A very well-known and exceptionally clear photograph of the ship in service show her fully equipped, with only two 3.9" carried. Two separate 20mm gun nests are clearly visible on the centreline; the elevated one behind the funnel and the lower, wider (3.9"-suitable) semi-cantilevered platform midway between this raised nest and the aft gun platform.

Further, the shipping of ten 20mm guns - in units so equipped (further research needed) - was achieved by mounting two single cannon on the quarterdeck, where there was inadequate space for a twin centreline mounting in any case.

Currently, the article gives the distinct impression that a twin centreline quarterdeck 20mm mount was standard for this class. 2A00:23C7:3119:AD01:8534:3D02:E7FF:B00B (talk) 11:00, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]