Talk:Coat of arms of Charles I of Spain

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I'm working on a similar project at Armorial of the Holy Roman Empire. I haven't seen a source with Charles V's blazon, but somebody else made an image with a different layout than yours. What's your source? -- I. Pankonin (t/c) 01:46, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, there. Yes, I saw the wonderful and fantastic job you are doing, not only with that article, but also with all those blazons with which you are contributing. Really a fantastic job. For this article I am using a coat drawn by Ignacio Gavira. It is a "simplified" version of the complete one. I couldn't find the "other image with a different layout than mine"... Can you point me a link?

I'm linking you here a picture taken from a facsimile of a "Royal certificate of general pardon" (real cédula de perdón general) at the "archivos municipales de Castile-La Mancha, Toledo, Spain". This "certificate of pardon" (mainly in taxes) was given to the city for its extreme loyalty. I've been told by a scholar, that this one is probably the most accurate one to be found. You have to think that the King, or Emperor, did change the content of his coat multiple times and even used some arms or anothers depending in which place of his empire they were going to be used.

As an example of this, I link you here and here two pictures of the Puerta de Bisagra in Toledo, Spain, where the only arms appearing in the coat are the ones of the Crown of Castile.

I can dare to assure you, that the picture from the facsimile, is probably the best and most accurate you may ever find from Charles V's blazon. It would be so absolutely amazing if you could give that picture a try by drawing it to .svg with inskape.

Once again, congratulations for your fantastic work with all those arms. I'm sure I will soon make use of them for many other articles!

Cheers, --Maurice27 (talk) 09:32, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was talking about this image

. I don't think it was ever on English Wikipedia. I got it from the French version of the page I'm working on. It's supposed to be a combination of his mother's arms as queen of Spain

and his father's arms

. The difference is that it doesn't have Hungary, Jerusalem, or Navarre. Basically, it's the arms of Phillip II

without the escutcheon of Portugal. Like you said, it's probably technically correct, but I would like to be as complete as possible.

I'm sure I can make that image. It will just take a very long time. The real question is how to blazon it! It would start Quarterly, I and III grand-quarterly i and iii great-grand-quarterly i and iii...

I'll make it if you want. It's more complex than what you have here, and it doesn't really add any more content, because it's made up of the same territories that are in the one you currently have. It's up to you if you think it's worth it. I would use the current image on this page as a guide and try to use that style. -- I. Pankonin (t/c) 10:21, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pointing you here another link. You will find in "1543 (Carlos V)" Chapter, what should be the correct "simplified" version by Jácome Cromberger, (1543). This very same article points (just like you just did) that the blazon includes the arms of Jerusalem, Hungary and Navarre, but lacks the Cross of Burgundy, which should appear behind the necks of the eagle (Just like in the one at the top of the article).

Another important symbol, are the Pillars of Hercules. In the drawing I am using from Ignacio Gavira, they appear on the bottom-right, while they should appear close to the members of the eagle. Just like in the picture from the Puerta de Bisagra. Of course, they should include the motto "Plvs Vltra".

I invite you to make that image, if only with the simplified one, just to put right these little changes I'm mentioning.--Maurice27 (talk) 10:46, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have the escutcheon done. -- I. Pankonin (t/c) 02:35, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I finished it. It only took 6 hours. Let me know if anything needs improvement. -- I. Pankonin (t/c) 06:36, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh my God! What an incredible job!!! Kudos to you! I just noticed one single mistake (which is also present in Ignacio Gavira's one). As you may see in all the links I gave you and also in the current Coat of arms of Spain, each pillar of Hercules has a different crown. The one on the left must have the

, while the right one, the Spanish Royal Crown. Apart that, just a fantastic job you just did! Kudos again!--Maurice27 (talk) 19:43, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It should be better now. -- I. Pankonin (t/c) 06:02, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]