Talk:Cups and balls
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I removed the following:
- The curator of the Cups and Balls Museum has requested that no links be posted to his web site because of the exposure of magical secrets in the article above.
If one doesn't want people linking to one's site, then one should take it off the internet. If he doesn't like the spoilers in this article, then he shouldn't link to it. savidan(talk) (e@) 06:11, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Reply from the curator of the cups and balls museum: "The cups and balls museum web site is password protected. Under Wikipedia guidelines, links to password protected sites are unacceptable."
Bill Palmer, M.I.M.C.
Removed the link to http://www.cupsandballs.nl/ which is just a commercial site selling cups and balls. Also removed http://magicsecrets.suddenlaunch3.com it's a good forum but it's about magic in general, not specifically Cups and Balls, so it's irrelevant to link to it here. --22.214.171.124 00:46, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
In 1936, Fred Lodge, a Scot, wrote "A Novel Cup And Ball Effect" on p. 26 of a (now rare) book entitled The Mysteries of the Mystic Seven. The secret was exactly the same as the one which would become famous 18 years later after being routined by Al Wheatley with one cup instead of two. Etienne Lorenceau
How to perform
I disagree with the assessment that it is unencyclopedic and simply an "instruction manual" to have a section discussing how the trick is performed.. Explaination of the principles behind a magic trick do not constitute an instruction manual. They constitute explaination of what principles of magic, slight of hand, etc. are present in a trick. I am also willing to bet a significant amount of money that 90% of people that read the "how it's done" sections of magic articles have no intent on ever attempting them - it's not an instruction manual, it's an explaination of the trick, which I don't see how you can claim is unencyclopedic. I know magicians like to keep the secrets of tricks a secret, but that's not an excuse for deleting stuff from wikipedia. TheHYPO 21:21, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
- I have reverted the removal and cleaned the section up as much as I feel I can. It still needs quite a bit of work though. Since I don't really know too terribly much about the trick (only what I saw in a Penn & Teller video on YouTube), information may need to be changed or cleaned up. The pea game also needs to be cleaned up badly, I think it's really wordy as it is, but I don't know anything about this and I won't touch it with a ten foot pole because of it. However, I think I've gotten rid of a lot of the "instruction guide" tone and got it down to the basic elements instead of a step-by-step manual. --132 03:27, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
- I totally agree! And even if they used it, so what? It's just a hundreds of years old trick! Not a deep secret of the universe (and even these should be told - Go WikiLeaks :D ). 126.96.36.199 (talk) 21:05, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
"Many magic secrets are closely guarded. In accordance with Wikipedia guidelines, only those with reliable and cited sources can be included in Wikipedia articles. If a secret cannot be verified through independent sources, it will be removed from the main article. Any "secret" revealed on this talk page may not be accurate; it may be speculative, erroneous, or even deliberately deceptive." The "citation needed" tags have been present on the Performance and Variations section for over 3 years. If citations cannot be found, these secrets need to be removed in accordance with Wikipedia guidelines. PBMagi (talk) 13:01, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
Disambiguation and creation of a new page on 'Cup and ball'
"Cup and ball" has two meanings. This one, and of course the game of bilbocquet (which does not yet have a page on Wikipedia), basically the game so popular in Victorian times (but already very popular in Europe beforehand, in fact Henry III of France used to play with a bilbocquet in the late 1500s. Can someone help with this? Perhaps disambiguate [cup and ball] and allow the user to choose either the magic trick or the bilbocquet game? Tris2000 (talk) 15:58, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Penn & Teller v. Latimer
The sections should be in chronological order, if we can determine who performed the trick first. As it stands, there's the implication that Latimer's trick is based on Penn & Teller's; while, reverting the sections would imply the reverse. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 05:57, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
Indian Cups and Balls
Description of Cheppam Panthum was removed as it was uncited and written in a promotional manner. However, the routine described under Indian Cups and Balls is the Cheppam Panthum routine, whereas the more common routine is similar to the Bean Sowing and performed with small bowls. The Indian Cups and Balls section should be updated to reflect this, however I also lack the required citations. If you are fortunate enough to have suitable citations, please contribute. PBMagi (talk) 13:01, 14 May 2017 (UTC)