Talk:Dagur language

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Daur consonants[edit]

Hi! The consonant table just inserted by User Abstract does not confirm to the main dialect. This does not mean that it is wrong, but without a source, it will have to be deleted. G Purevdorj (talk) 05:35, 27 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lost phoneme status?[edit]

The text says:

Word-final short vowels were lost[8] and historically short vowels in non-initial syllables have lost phoneme status.

What exactly does it mean, 'lost phoneme status'? Does it mean that phonemic distinctiveness among vowels was lost? As it stands, the text means that short vowels in non-initial syllables are no longer phonemes -- which raises the question, if they are not phonemes, what exactly are they? The implication could be that they are automatically inserted 'fillers' (similar to certain syllabic rules found in Mongolian), but this isn't clear from the description.

203.169.48.225 (talk) 06:28, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dagur does not significantly differ from Mongolian with respect to syllabification (although as far as I know there is no precise paper outlining the exact syllabification rules). So yes, it is such non-phonemic "fillers". G Purevdorj (talk) 08:23, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I guess the term shouldn't be 'filler' but 'epenthetic vowel'. 203.169.48.225 (talk) 02:35, 3 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Vowel Harmony[edit]

According to reference 12 "Tsumagari 2003: 131 basically in agreement with Sengge 2004a; in contrast, Namcarai and Qaserdeni 1983: 37 give a pretty standard Mongolian vowel harmony system with the pharyngeal vowels /ɑ/, /ɔ/, /ʊ/ contrasting with the non-pharyngeal vowels /ə/, /o/, /u/, while /i/ is neutral." I don't see how Tsumagari (2003) is in agreement about vowel harmony having been lost. In the section "Word Structure" on page 134, he says "The most important phonotactic phenomenon affecting vowels is vowel harmony..." and "Vowel harmony is synchronically manifest in the behavior of suffixal long vowels". It doesn't behave the same way as in Mongolian proper, for example, but definitely does still exist from what I can gather. I have edited the main page to reflect this. ibarrere (talk) 20:14, 9 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Script[edit]

Is there any source that Dagur is written using the Cyrillic script? As far as I know there are only Mongolian and Latin. WhoAlone (talk) 12:37, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. The source appeared in the second paragraph. A PDF is available here. I've removed the template and repeated the reference in the infobox, though this isn't normally required. Cheers! JFHJr (㊟) 02:49, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Grammar chart copy edits[edit]

Greetings. I've done a series of copy edits to grammar charts added by a now-blocked IP contributor. The additions, namely the translations, appeared to contain several inconsistencies or errors. I've cleaned them up where the correct information was apparent. However, I've left several lacunae and Chinese text where the reference needs to be consulted to fill-in content. I don't have it, so I've cleaned up in WP:AGF as far as content matching the cite. If anyone does have access to the references, please rectify anything I've done wrong. Cheers! JFHJr (㊟) 19:33, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the Chinese gloss as failing WP:V. Anyone interested in the removed gloss can see the edit history, and attempt to verify or offer a better gloss. Cheers! JFHJr (㊟) 02:41, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]