Talk:December 25–28, 2012 North American blizzard

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TWC name[edit]

It was discussed at length at Talk:November 2012 nor'easter and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2012-13 U.S. winter storm season why we decided not to use The Weather Channel's names. I would like to see how that has changed since then. These names are not official and are only recognized by TWC, which does not have the authority to name storms. The National Weather Service has told its offices not to use the names. I would be interested to see how any of this has changed since November. In the interest of fairness, I would advocate that no changes be made regarding to name on this or related articles until this debate is resolved. The purpose of these discussions is to avoid edit wars. TornadoLGS (talk) 02:36, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

I left a message at User talk:Cotten134 so maybe they will stop changing the names. If he/she does, I will pursue further action. United States Man (talk) 05:27, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
All I wish to say is, don't be so quick to dismiss these names out of hand. Yes, it is true the names are not "official," but doesn't media acceptance, or lack thereof, of such terms also play a role in such considerations? A number of major sources have chosen to accept this name, including NBC News and Google Earth. (On a side-note, a number of them have apparently even "swallowed the Kool-aid" and report the storm as being named such by the National Weather Service, even though it wasn't.) Or, to put it another way, it seems kind of silly to stand on a high horse, and say "ooh, we're not accepting this name" because it's not official when just about everyone else is calling it this. Or for that matter, to not even mention it in the article. ProfessorTofty (talk) 06:58, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
Nobody has said the name can't be mentioned. In fact, I think most have said to the contrary. Inks.LWC (talk) 07:00, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Merge?[edit]

This article should really be combined with the 2012 Christmas tornado outbreak. I know User:United States Man disagrees, but I really feel strongly about this. Neither article is quite comprehensive enough without the info from the other. They both have similar meteorological histories, but as far as impact, the blizzard article is on the short side. It doesn't do much to establish notability, just a bunch of things that happen in every blizzard. What's troublesome is that there isn't a damage total, either. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:59, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I think it would be a good idea. Merging this to the outbreak article would fill in the MH and add the currently missing "Non-tornadic effects" section. United States Man (talk) 17:45, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
Yea! And maybe just retitle it 2012 Christmas tornado outbreak and blizzard? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:48, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
I would just leave the title since it is primarily going to be about the tornado outbreak. United States Man (talk) 19:52, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Primarily, yes, but the title wouldn't indicate there was also an associated blizzard, hence why I suggest the name change. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:05, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
I see your point. Go ahead then. United States Man (talk) 01:13, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
Doesn't the MoS have something against us calling things after Christmas?.Jason Rees (talk) 01:32, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
Now that this has been proposed, it makes sense in my mind (although I had never thought of the idea myself). As for the name, in the past haven't we used "storm complex"? (Sorry, I'm very tired and have to leave for a trip in 5 hours, otherwise I'd look around). If so, we could use that. Inks.LWC (talk) 05:06, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
Something like that could work. I don't think having Christmas in there is a problem, but should we worry about the location? There were other storms in existence on December 25, 2012, not just this one. It's a bit US-biased, but I wouldn't know what else to do. I guess 2012 Christmas storm complex could work. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:50, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
To avoid the US bias we could call it the December 25–28, 2012 North American storm complex. We've used this format for a few other articles on similar events. I'd personally be against calling it a Christmas storm complex as this was a multi-day event. The Christmas title fit the outbreak article because that was the only day of significant tornadic activity. I don't think the same applies to the system as a whole. TornadoLGS (talk) 05:39, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
That looks good to me. Inks.LWC (talk) 05:50, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Good to me as well. United States Man (talk) 06:01, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

I went ahead and failed the GAN, since the article is due to be merged. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 23:41, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks; I would've withdrawn the nomination had I been around, but I was out of town and still on limited activity without a computer of my own. Inks.LWC (talk) 06:58, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Hah, I was actually looking for a GAN to review for the Wikicup. So is this ready to be merged? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:45, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
It looks ready from my viewpoint. United States Man (talk) 21:57, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Well maybe after the merge I can help you out with that. ;) It looks ready to be merged to me. I can help hopefully next week, but I'm still without a computer of my own. Inks.LWC (talk) 02:13, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
I am going to finish the table in the next couple days. That is the only major work it needs. United States Man (talk) 03:44, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

I would merge it, but I wouldn't know how to do the infobox. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 06:01, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Try Template:Infobox storm. I added tornado parts to it, so it should be able to hold all information from both events. United States Man (talk) 07:12, 5 January 2014 (UTC)