Talk:Enchelean-Taulantian dynasty
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Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 04:35, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
Fictitious dynasty
[edit]There is no evidence for an "Enchelean-Taulantian dynasty". Ancient litterature does not mention it, if some modern scholars speculated on it's existence, it can be added with due weight into the articles Enchele and Taulantii with the relevant sources, but the subject does not warrant its own article. – Βατο (talk) 13:52, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- There is no evidence of such a dynasty even in the context of Greek mythology geneology this is highly problematic.Alexikoua (talk) 19:42, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
Hello! This is from Greek Wikipedia: ... Στην περιοχή της Νότιας Ιλλυρίας, οργανωμένα κράτη άρχισαν να δημιουργούνται αρκετά νωρίτερα σε σύγκριση με άλλες περιοχές της Ιλλυρίας. Το αρχαιότερο γνωστό κράτος, του οποίου η ύπαρξη μπορεί να τεκμηριωθεί με βάση τις αρχαίες πηγές είναι εκείνο των Εγχελίων. Το απόγειο του Εγχελειανού Βασιλείου ήταν κατά την διάρκεια του 8ου-7ου αιώνα π.Χ. ...
... Τα παρακάτω πρόσωπα είναι καταγεγραμμένα σύμφωνα με τις αρχαίες ιστορικές πηγές σαν Ταυλάντιοι αρχηγοί ή Ιλλύριοι βασιλείς:[68][69][70][71]
- Γάλαυρος (τέλη 7ου αιώνα π.Χ.), ο αρχαιότερος γνωστός Ιλλυριός βασιλιάς που καταγράφει ο Πολύαινος (2ος αιώνα μ.Χ.), η αξιοπιστία του συγγραφέα αμφισβητείται.[72][73]
- Πλευράτος Α΄ (περί το 345-344 π.Χ.)
- Γλαυκίας (περί το 335-302 π.Χ.), πολέμησε απέναντι στον Μέγα Αλέξανδρο και τον βασιλιά της Ηπείρου Πύρρο. Ο Ιλλύριος βασιλιάς Μονούνιος Α΄ που έκοψε ασημένια νομίσματα (290 π.Χ.) με το σύμβολο της πόλης του Δυρραχίου και το όνομα του βασιλιά ήταν πιθανότατα γιος και διάδοχος του.[74][75] Το βασίλειο του περιείχε και κατώτερα Ιλλυρικά τμήματα όπως Άγρων της Ιλλυρίας και Τεύτα.[76] ...
Greetings from Kosovo. --Drenisa (talk) 16:52, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Drenisa, the Enchelei and Taulantii have always been attested as two separate tribes/peoples, and no ancient account attests the existence of an "Enchelean-Taulantian dynasty". The only attested "Enchelean" (legendary/mythical) ruler is Cadmus. While there are three attested "Taulantian" rulers: Galaurus, Pleuratus I and Glaukias, but they did not constitute an "Enchelean-Taulantian dynasty", only a "Taulantian dinasty", which is already included into Taulantii#Taulantian dynasty. As for other Illyrian rulers listed into this article, their tribal affiliation is not certain because it is not explicitly mentioned in ancient litterature. As already stated, the subject of this article is highly speculative and not supported by ancient and modern sources, it has no scope for a separate article. If some modern scholars' speculations exist about this dynasty, they can be added with due weight into the articles Enchele and Taulantii with the relevant WP:RS. – Βατο (talk) 11:17, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Βατο , should this article be nominated for deletion? Ktrimi991 (talk) 11:32, 17 October 2022 (UTC)