Talk:Eurasian wryneck/GA1

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Reviewer: Reid,iain james (talk · contribs) 22:51, 29 September 2013 (UTC) I'll review this article. I have already found some things that could be corrected or changed.[reply]

In its taxobox shouldn't it have a Subspecies header or something like Subgroups saying "see text"
In Description - "The voice..." and "The alarm call" should be changed to "Its voice" and "Its alarm call" or "The voice/alarm call of the Eurasian Wryneck"
In Distribution and Habitat - Specifically where in north africa does J. t. mauretanica live, does it live in the green region of the range map or the blue region? Iainstein (talk) 22:59, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It also mentions nothing about J. t. chinensis and J. t. himalayana.
Is it possible to get a range map of where the different subspecies live, to add to the article in addition to the summer and winter range map? Iainstein (talk) 00:08, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Could more images be added to the article and can the image in description have a caption added?
In Distribution and habitat - it would make more sense if you had all the information on the range of the subspecies together and not separated by "Eurasian Wrynecks also inhabit..." which you should move to the end of the paragraph. Iainstein (talk) 13:42, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's all I have found for now. Iainstein (talk) 22:51, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for taking on this review. I hope to respond tomorrow when I should have more time. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 16:22, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have now dealt with the points you raise above with the exception of the range map for the subspecies. I really do not have a suitable source for such a map quite apart from having a lack of skill in creating a map. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:10, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Could you move one of the behaviour images (preferably the taller one) onto the other side of the page so that they are both in the section they should be in? Iainstein (talk) 13:29, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well I've moved it, but it is not generally thought to be a good thing to squash text between two images. I could remove the video clip, but it is quite interesting behaviour. What do you think? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:10, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I just realized that the image could be move lower into the Breeding section. It would make sense because the caption is "Eurasian Wrynecks use their necks in display". Iainstein (talk) 14:28, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I wonder if the "broad coverage" criteria of WP:WIAGA is currently being met. Much of the article is sourced to to a 70-year old book, and neglects recent research on the subject. A Web of Knowledge search turns up 445 articles on the topic, none of which are used. Here a few examples of recent research that might be used to help beef up coverage:

Title: Mating system, paternity and sex allocation in Eurasian Wrynecks (Jynx torquilla)

Author(s): Wink, Michael; Becker, Detlef; Tolkmitt, Dirk; et al.

Source: JOURNAL OF ORNITHOLOGY Volume: 152 Issue: 4 Pages: 983-989 DOI: 10.1007/s10336-011-0684-3 Published: OCT 2011

Title: Habitat selection by foraging Wrynecks Jynx torquilla during the breeding season: identifying the optimal habitat profile

Author(s): Weisshaupt, Nadja; Arlettaz, Raphael; Reichlin, Thomas S.; et al.

Source: BIRD STUDY Volume: 58 Issue: 2 Pages: 111-119 Published: 2011

Title: The importance of ant-rich habitats for the persistence of the Wryneck Jynx torquilla on farmland

Author(s): Mermod, Murielle; Reichlin, Thomas S.; Arlettaz, Raphael; et al.

Source: IBIS Volume: 151 Issue: 4 Pages: 731-742 Published: OCT 2009

Title: Migration patterns of Hoopoe Upupa epops and Wryneck Jynx torquilla: an analysis of European ring recoveries

Author(s): Reichlin, Thomas S.; Schaub, Michael; Menz, Myles H. M.; et al.

Source: JOURNAL OF ORNITHOLOGY Volume: 150 Issue: 2 Pages: 393-400 DOI: 10.1007/s10336-008-0361-3 Published: APR 2009

Title: Impact of weather variation on feeding behaviour, nestling growth and brood survival in Wrynecks Jynx torquilla

Author(s): Geiser, Stephanie; Arlettaz, Raphael; Schaub, Michael

Source: JOURNAL OF ORNITHOLOGY Volume: 149 Issue: 4 Pages: 597-606 DOI: 10.1007/s10336-008-0305-y Published: OCT 2008

Title: Evolutionary history of woodpeckers and allies (Aves : Picidae): Placing key taxa on the phylogenetic tree

Author(s): Benz, Brett W.; Robbins, Mark B.; Peterson, A. Townsend

Source: MOLECULAR PHYLOGENETICS AND EVOLUTION Volume: 40 Issue: 2 Pages: 389-399 DOI: 10.1016/j.ympev.2006.02.021 Published: AUG 2006

Title: Wryneck Jynx torquilla.

Author(s): Stumberger, Borut

Source: Acrocephalus (Ljubljana) Volume: 23 Issue: 115 Pages: 201 Published: 2002

Title: Monitoring the feeding activity of nesting birds with an autonomous system: case study of the endangered Wryneck Jynx torquilla

Author(s): Freitag, A; Martinoli, A; Urzelai, J

Source: BIRD STUDY Volume: 48 Pages: 102-109 Part: 1 Published: MAR 2001

There are many more, and many that are not in English. There are also many secondary sources published in the last 10-15 years that would have more up-to-date coverage than the 1943 text currently being relied on. I could email some of these articles, or, if the nominator would prefer, make the additions myself (but it could take a while, there's lots to work through). Sasata (talk) 14:39, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Sasata. I had not noticed that it was that old of a book. Iainstein (talk) 15:06, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that the book is old is not very relevant because the bird will likely not have changed its appearance or habits in the meantime. However, I'll have a look at the suggested sources and see what seems suitable to add to the article. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:27, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It is relevant, because it is used as the main source for the article, and thus misses out on improvements on our understanding of the bird's biology that have accrued in the past 70 years. Let me know if you need help accessing any articles. Sasata (talk) 18:41, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have now added various information from several published sources, mostly on the bird's behaviour and choice of territory. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:13, 3 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's better. Could you check the phylogenetic review. It might allow you to expand the Taxonomy section (possible even with a cladogram). Iainstein (talk) 13:27, 3 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have done that, but a cladogram is beyond me. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:52, 3 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I could make a cladogram for the article if you can show me how it should look based on the reference. Just do the basic

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and I could make it for you. Iainstein (talk) 22:20, 3 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the offer but I don't believe the source clarified the position of the Nesoctitinae. I don't personally think a cladogram is necessary to fulfil the criteria of "broad in its scope". Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:10, 4 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok you don't need to add it. Yes, it wouldn't help fulfil the criteria "broad in its scope", but it might make a nice addition. Since you nominated it I think the choice is yours. Iainstein (talk) 13:43, 4 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have found one more query.

The sentence "Eurasian Wrynecks also inhabit..." should go behind the sentence "J. t. chinensis breeds in..."

Done. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:02, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

After that is completed I think I will promote GA status. Iainstein (talk) 13:53, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]