Talk:Federation of Northern Syria

Merge back Federation of Northern Syria to Rojava

While currently not much information is available, this entity seems to be simply the successor of what was previously called Rojava, and for now continues to be primarily referred to as Rojava. For what we know now it therefore splitting the article doesn't seem to make much sense. Pinging the author Hindian1947 for clarification. --PanchoS (talk) 10:27, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi PanchoS, I believe this article should be separate with Rojava article as the new Federation is called "Rojava and Northern Syria United Democratic System" in its deceleration manifest. Plus Rojava, historically consists of 3 separated regions, but new Federation is larger than this area, claiming most northern border of Syria.--Joseph (talk) 21:07, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support merge. No need to FORK based on "declaration manifest".--Zoupan 21:15, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support merge: These two are the exact same thing, "Federation of Northern Syria – Rojava" is the proclaimed official name for Rojava. Plus, the PYD also claims land far beyond the 3 cantons. Editor abcdef (talk) 00:11, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose merge: The Federation of Northern Syria and Rojava are separate, as the Federation consists of the original Rojava and territory captured from Rebel groups and Islamic State. The federation for now is an extension of Rojava, which is a fixed territory of the Kurds. The federation expands into non Kurdish areas, though it occupies much of the original Rojava. They must be kept separate for the time being as merging the completely Kurdish Rojava with the ever expanding federation would mean the two are interchangeable, which is not the case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hindian1947 (talk • contribs) 09:11, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"territory of the Kurds", "non Kurdish areas" -> these concepts are fantasy POV, there never was any serious demarcation what would be a Kurdish or a non-Kurdish area in Syria by anyone. The only demarcation of territory under the name of Rojava by anyone ever is the now existing federation, which by the way does not use the concept of "Kurdish areas" at all, so IMHO this article should be merged into the "Rojava" article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.72.22.19 (talk) 21:05, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Why in the world would the Federation name itself "Federation of Northern Syria – Rojava" if these two are separate? Plus, the pre-federation Rojava itself contained a lot of non-Kurdish majority territory. Editor abcdef (talk) 10:49, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well now that Rojava has incorporated most of the information this page had, it's of no use. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hindian1947 (talk • contribs) 05:18, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose merge Rojava is a name for a region, but Federation of Northern Syria is a name for a goverment. These are two different concepts!Paraw (talk) 15:04, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support merge: creating this page would inevitably lead to conflicting information between here and the Rojava page. de facto they are the same thing. if a federation in syria is established, these pages would be merged. Cavanan (talk) 00:11, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support merge: This separate stump article makes zero sense now. The original "Rojava" article has become a good and elaborate article about the "Federation of Northern Syria – Rojava". Considering these two different concepts appears to be a marginal ultra-nationalist POV. 2A1ZA (talk) 12:56, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: These terms may currently defacto cover pretty much the same geographical area, but they're not the same thing. Consider British Isles vs United Kingdom. Even at the time when UK included what is now the republic of ireland, the terms are not synonymous. 92.26.129.126 (talk) 03:35, 24 May 2016 (UTC) — 92.26.129.126 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Concensus reached. Merged.--Zoupan 21:27, 5 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Statement in lead section

Following statement was removed:

The Federation of Northern Syria has a large portion of it being non-Kurdish majority areas captured from the Islamic State.^[1]

The source is unreliable and it also doesn't mention that in the article.Ferakp (talk) 11:11, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

^ "Syrian Kurds declare their own federal region in Rmeilan in defiance of peace talks in Europe". Mail Online. 17 March 2016.

[1] "Syrian Kurds declare their own federal region in Rmeilan in defiance of peace talks in Europe". Mail Online. 17 March 2016.

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