Talk:Ferrate(VI)

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The title is "Ferrate" but the article only describes ferrate (VI). There are other ferrates. So either the article should be extended to cover them, or the title should be changed to ferrate (VI) PointOfPresence (talk) 12:03, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I concur, the title is misleading. It should be renamed to Ferrate(VI), or Perferrate to keep in the same style as the manganate articles.

According to the trivial names, ferrate refers specifically to ferrate(V), and hypoferrate refers to ferrate(IV). Plasmic Physics (talk) 12:30, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Of course, we probably should now have pages for the other ferrates. PointOfPresence (talk) 11:59, 14 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Names....[edit]

So, I've just copy edited this. I removed a bit about the systematic name from the lede because (a) it doesn't belong there and (b) it conflicted with the systematic name in the chembox. I also commented out:

The systematic name tetraoxidoferrate(2-), a valid IUPAC name, is constructed according to the additive nomenclature. In the case where the multiplicity is required to be specified, a more precise name is used. Singlet ferrate(VI)'s additive name remains unchanged. Triplet ferrate(VI), which is the groundstate, is named tetraoxidoferrate(2•2-)

which may be true, but is probably more relevant to an article on using IUPAC rules to create names nobody understands.

I left this bit in:

The term ferrate is normally used to mean ferrate(VI), although it can refer to other iron-containing anions, many of which are more commonly encountered than salts of [FeO₄]^2-. These include the highly reduced species disodium tetracarbonylferrate Na₂[Fe(CO)₄] and salts of the iron(III) complex tetrachloroferrate [FeCl₄]^-.

I'm not happy with it though: surely, in the case of Na₂[Fe(CO)₄] and [FeCl₄]^-, the -ate suffix is just there because it's an iron-containing anion: can anybody find a reference where those ions are actually called ferrate rather than the longer name? Chris (talk) 20:14, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

They probably refer to the core component of the longer name being 'ferrate': sodium tetracarbonylferrate(2-) and tetrachloridoferrate(1-). Plasmic Physics (talk) 23:06, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]