Talk:Fertility rite

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I have added some referenced material on Arabia.Cpsoper (talk) 19:21, 17 June 2014 (UTC) Some pertinent material from Edward Lane's writing on Egypt is added as illustrative of this, under a juxtaposed section on Egypt.Cpsoper (talk) 21:30, 17 June 2014 (UTC)


I have added references from the NYT article on the sacralising of rape within the so-called Islamic State, with testimonial evidence, praying before and after rape, and repeated claims that the assault pleases the Deity.Cpsoper (talk) 20:37, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

An anonymous editor from Huddersfield claims the material is not relevant to fertility rites and is poorly sourced. Both assertions are fallacious. What could be more relevant to a fertility rite, namely 'religious rituals that reenact, either actually or symbolically, sexual acts and/or reproductive processes', as defined in the lede, than sacralised rape? The source is an NYT journalist, with direct experience of interviews with victims of IS, what better source is sought? Cpsoper (talk) 21:07, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
There's no evidence that this act is relevant to fertility. It's just an act of domination, and an attempt to humiliate victims. I suppose this ISIS section should be removed as irrelevant. Yuri ar (talk) 10:44, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
Just an act of domination? Impregnating women is an act of fertilisation - do any other editors have difficulty perceiving this? Cpsoper (talk) 19:38, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
This does not seem a fertility rite at all, it is not for calling fertility of agriculture nor cattle not even a desire for a couple to have childs.
It is just a reward to stimulate and morally justify warrior acts against what they call infidels. It is a way to develop an efficient army of blind canyon meat fanatics which believe that they are going to heaven if they die, for the meanwhile they rape teens and women and do not respect any infidel i.e. not a Muslim. Their goal is to conquer territories making war. That is not mystic at all.
There are many real examples of fertility rites in the world, for example in the ancient Mayan culture where wall paints show their priests dropping some blood from their pennis to have a more fertile ground. There are many phallic or female objects with real ritual sense in other cultures.
This article is very poor. And that justification for rape is intolerable. We can not be tolerant with intolerants. Can anybody rape a girl and pray before penetrating her and tell that is a fertility rite, so it is OK? Please we are not stupid. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:43, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
Try to address the issue from well sourced references WP:RS rather than give a personal opinion. The New York Times is a reasonably reliable source and gives direct quotes attributed to IS fighters and its apologists, even if you disagree with them. If the definition of fertility rite in the lede is disputed, please provide an authoritative source.Cpsoper (talk) 23:11, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

kid? is this correct for the baby of a cow? It seem a wrong translation[edit]

The article mention:

'cooking a kid in the milk of its mother, a Canaanite custom which Mosaic law condemned and formally forbade'

This Mosaic law is the reason that dairy products are not mixed with meat in kosher meals. Here kid seems a wrong translation of the Torah, which refers to a cow and her son. I am not a native speaker to understand if kid here has that meaning. Anyway, it is not clear what this has to do with fertility rites — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:03, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

The passage alluded to, Deut.14.21 refers to a young goat, a kid.Cpsoper (talk) 23:03, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

THIS ARTICLE IS ABOUT Fertility Rites not sexuality in religions[edit]

There is no description of any fertility rite. It is confusing sexuality in religion with fertility rites. Many references but no solid text. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:59, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

The editor needs to remember the definition in the lede, the page concerns itself with rites that 'reenact, either actually or symbolically, sexual acts and/or reproductive processes'.Cpsoper (talk) 23:03, 14 March 2017 (UTC)