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Early discussions[edit]

Text is inconsistent - one line claims Greek origin, the next line says Turkish. I've no Idea which, but it ain't both.

So true. These hats are in so many Italian paintings from at least the 12th century onward, I want proof/citation that Greek islands and Turks had the fez before the 12th century. Article clearly has confused the adopting of the hat in the Ottoman Empire with its origin. It's still popular in Italy until the 16th century at least. Visit the Louvre for more on this topic. Lead should at least mention its incredible popular among Italian nobles prior to the Ottoman Empire adopting it.--LeValley 04:46, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Igodard (talkcontribs) 05:01, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Should this be moved to Fez (hat), or is there another article of clothing known as a "fez"? Dysprosia 14:08, 20 Sep 2003 (UTC)


"About 980AD, the haj was interruped by the crusades, and the pilgrimages of those living west of the Nile were directed to Fez as to the Holy City."

The First Crusade didn't start until 1096, so I'm not sure how that works. Adam Bishop 14:48, 20 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I agree. Not everything can be laid to the Franks. Better look into local conditions in Tripolitania and Cyrenaica ca 980 to see how the meghrib could become effectively cut off from Egypt and the Red Sea. An interestimg development. A reference would be good. User:Wetman.


Two miscellaneous fez facts, one rather unpleasant and one rather silly and commercial:

1. There is a nasty anti-Islamic myth (promulgated by, among others, Jack Chick) that the original fezzes were dyed with the blood of Christians. There is no truth to it.

2. You can get (cheap nylon) fezzes from Archie McPhee: http://www.mcphee.com/ or (expensive wool) fezzes from http://www.hatsinthebelfry.com/. --FOo 00:03, 8 May 2004 (UTC)


How do you know it's a myth? Sources please. It should be mentioned in the article, myth or not.

Fez in pop culture[edit]

Why is the fez often used in pop culture (e.g. Goofy and Ren Hoek wearing them) to denote relaxation? --Abdull 21:04, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

How about adding a reference to Matt Groening's cartoon characters Akbar and Jeff? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_in_Hell — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.96.161.65 (talk) 03:06, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Doctor Who[edit]

You Mean like in Doctor Who? Such as #SaveTheDay David Tennant http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/3e/f7/0a/3ef70ab8595c0ee384474c9750cdf845.jpg

1963 https://www.scifinow.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/p00v27md.jpg William Hartnell

2013 https://kitchenoverlord.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/doctor-who-fez.png Matt Smith

Alex Kingston http://images.amcnetworks.com/bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/files/2015/06/AlexKingston.jpg

--Timelord2067 (talk) 01:43, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Name[edit]

I prefer the German method of naming the Fez: de:Fes (Kopfbedeckung). That translates Fez (headgear). That's my suggestion for the move. GilliamJF 03:45, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Fez in the Balkans[edit]

The fez is also worn in Albania. There is no mention of this in the article. Albanians are not Slavs nor Bosniacs.

Pictures[edit]

There is a picture of a man sporting a fez on this page. I noticed the same picture on the page for "Bedouin." The captions seem to differ on the nationality of the young man. Which needs to be fixed? I'd infer the man was probably Moroccan.

I notcied the same, and followed the "fez" link from the Bedouin descriptor over here. Dunno where the model is from, but he's cute! (I apologize for the inappropriate comment) Scix 22:41, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
He reminds me of my friend =) -- WiiVolve 13:25, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

"checheya"[edit]

The article at one point starts using the word "checheya" without saying what it is. Could someone please add an explanation? --LakeHMM 04:23, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I think it is supposed to be Chechnya. -- WiiVolve 16:11, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
EDIT: I found the original source of that paragraph. Apparently, the real website uses the same word. See: http://www.tarboosh.com/aboutWord.php. -- WiiVolve 16:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)


picture vandalism?[edit]

Hi, jst looking at the third picture 'An old-fashioned Hyderabadi Muslim gentleman wearing an everyday sherwani and fez hat'. This guy is not wearing anything on his head. Following the picture it looks like there is some picture vandalism. The original picture is

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/archive/8/81/20051212174328%21Sherwani.jpg

I am not too sure how to fix this, because I am not too familiar with the handling of pictures in wikipedia. Can somebody take care of this ? 137.132.3.11 12:11, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, done. You might want to watch Image:Sherwani.jpg denizTC 13:29, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Greek origin?[edit]

The origin of fez is the city Fes, Morocco as the Turkish Official Dictionary, Online Etymology dictionary and Nişanyan's etmyologic dictionary said.

Ruzgar 01:53, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


Actually, in ancient Mesopotamia, around 1000-600 B.C. (the Later Babylonian and Assyrian period), the men wore a high brimless hat similar to the fez or tarbush of today. In Assyrian art, this hat sometimes is shown with broad bands of fabric hanging down the back. ("Survey of Historic Costume: Fourth Edition" by Phyllis G. Tortora and Keith Eubank). [RoseGirl]: 03:50, 20 April 2008

Fez is from Fez city in Morocco. How can you make such huge mistake ?[edit]

Until the 19th century it was the only source of Fez hats (also known as the tarboosh), before they began to be manufactured in France and Turkey; originally, the dye for the hats came from a berry that was grown outside the city, known as the Turkish kizziljiek or Greek akenia (Cornus mascula). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Omansouri (talkcontribs) 05:56, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Most probably you are wrong. In any case, please provide the printed source of your statements. Please review the basic wikipedia policies about article content in wikipedia:Attribution. Mukadderat (talk) 02:53, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
The hats may not be from Morocco originally, the word for them is. At least any etymological dictionary refers to the city of Fez. For some reason the etymology of tarboosh is given in this article, but the etymology of fez is not. That's a bit strange. Fransvannes (talk) 11:02, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't know how it's named after but as an Anatolian native it's so clear me that it roots back somewhere in Anatolia, 3500 year old Komagene sculptures in Adiyaman wear fez-like headgears. Wiki turns in to a pseudo encyclopedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.60.88.221 (talk) 18:16, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes I agree the fez comes from Fez (Morroco) where it'a made until today[edit]

Your references : no on can check them The form is not really the same and I have one question : Why turkish called this hat Fez ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.238.127.175 (talk) 06:49, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Picture caption[edit]

Why does the second picture have a caption saying the man is from Morocco? The picture description implies he's from Israel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.32.96.46 (talk) 23:58, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

This hat is from morocco —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.26.254.195 (talk) 04:01, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

History[edit]

This article is specifically about the fez, not about all brimless, more or less cylindrical or conical hats. The fez has a specific historical context, in particular, as headgear promulgated by Mahmut II in the 1820/30s. That headgear had its origins in North Africa (according to Reliable Sources). It would be interesting to learn more (from Reliable Sources) about its history in North Africa. Just noting that it looks like some hat in an ancient Assyrian frieze, or (even more vaguely) like the hat Mussolini wore, is not helpful. There needs to be some documented connection. --Macrakis (talk) 03:35, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

  • I agree. Also the format of this source "Ruth Ellen Mandel, Cosmopolitan anxieties, 2008" is not detailed enough. Is she an authority about Middle Eastern fez?--Abuk SABUK (talk) 17:36, 25 August 2011 (UTC)


I changed the article text to show that the fez was often manufactured in Strakonice, Czech Republic (then part of the Austrian Empire). I saw an exhibit on this in the STrakonice Museum and the Wikipedia article on Strakonice identifies it as "a main production site for fez hats". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Poniatowski (talkcontribs) 16:06, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

egyptian arbic[edit]

the word طربوش is used in all Arabic dialects not only in egyptian !! so don't write "egyptian arbic" sorry for my bad English i hope you understand what i mean —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.192.211.85 (talk) 23:33, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Too many Images[edit]

This page seems to become a picture gallery for men wearing a fez. There are 6 essentially identical pictures. Why? I'm taking down one of the most irrelevant.Nickrz (talk) 20:55, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Knitted Woolen Fezzes[edit]

I have seen a man, among a group of Arabic-speaking people, wearing a red fez which, together with its black tassel, was apparently made of knitted wool rather than felt. Perhaps this is worn in winter in Muslim countries. Personal observations are not reliable sources, but such may exist for on knitted fezzes. Barney Bruchstein (talk) 11:31, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

What's ACE?[edit]

As of 2017-04-12 the section on "History" includes, "Because the area is defensible it has been occupied since Roman times, although the modern Islamic city [of Fez] was created by invading Muslims from two opposing settlements around 818 ACE."

What's ACE in this context?

The article on Fez, Morocco says, "Arab emigration to Fez, including 800 Andalusi families of Berber descent in 817–818 expelled after a rebellion against the Umayyads of Córdoba, Andalusia, ... gave the city its Arabic character." From the context, it's clear that this was 818 CE or AD.

I found one other use of ACE associated with a date that clearly refers to CE and only one use of AD. I'll change both ACE and AD to CE for consistency. If someone knows better, I trust they will take appropriate action. DavidMCEddy (talk) 14:12, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Sentence that is incomprehensible[edit]

"Besides ṭarbūsh, the fez can also be defined in Arabic shashia (i)stanbuli."2600:1700:E1C0:F340:E5BC:ADD9:A126:1722 (talk) 20:40, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

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