Talk:Frodo Baggins

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Past vs. Present tense[edit]

I was wondering why this article, which is about a fictional character, is written in the past tense as if he was a real person.

Treybien (talk) 17:42 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Some room for improvement.[edit]

The article is very elaborate and detailed about the character Frodo. I did notice some broken links, for example "Frodo's Family Tree" (reference 5) [1] and "Tolkien on Film: Essays on Peter Jackson’s The Lord of the Rings" (reference 13) [2]. I am unsure how reliable the "Middle Earth Encyclopedia" [3] is as primary reference for the majority of the character description; the novels would have sufficed. However, I am sure the website was created by fans who extensively combed through the works and devised all the relevant information. This website does not cite where it retrieved its information explicitly either. A peculiarity of the information on Frodo was the lack of depth of Frodo's relationship with Bilbo, which does not explain much on how or why Bilbo is referred to as Frodo's uncle. For someone who may not have read the novel but viewed the films would or could be hung up on this. Otherwise, I enjoyed this article on Frodo Baggins. --Lmoorekroll (talk) 09:53, 25 October 2016 (UTC) The article has a decent amount of information in order to get a first time reader or watcher to understand the protagonist, especially for not being a strict fan page or something of the sort. Iphilemonofiii (talk) 06:25, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

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"One for the Shire!"[edit]

Recently I added "of the Shire" to Frodo's race label. This has been deleted without explanation. Surely it does no harm to briefly indicate a "sub-race"? Significant societies of Hobbits lived outside the Shire, e.g. Bree and (formerly) the Gladden Fields. Cheers Jungleboy63 (talk) 07:33, 27 October 2016 (UTC) Jungleboy63 (talk) 07:33, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for those links. I could only open the 3rd; in my view it supports the inclusion of the Shire somewhere in Frodo's information box. The Shire is Frodo's home & a key part of his character. In Frodo's words, "I should like to save the Shire". And it can be done without creating a new label. Jungleboy63 (talk) 12:16, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

(The ref links are from the section above; they have nothing to do with the infobox.) The point here is that the infobox parameter is "race". It is not "everything we know about this character". The fact that Frodo hails from the Shire should be mentioned in the lead; the infobox should be kept short and sweet. -- Elphion (talk) 14:04, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Many thanks for your response & explanation. I agree the box should not contain everything (although I maintain that the Shire is a key part of Frodo). On this basis I query the reference to Unfinished Tales in the box; UT doesn't say much new about Frodo, especially compared to other works that are not mentioned in the box: e.g. Letters and The History of the Lord of the Rings. Cheers Jungleboy63 (talk) 01:34, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

But UT is (principally) a work of fiction, so it's appropriate. Letters is analysis, not stories (e.g., about Frodo), so not appropriate. HOME is rather grey area; as regards Frodo it's mostly older versions of works whose definitive versions are Hobbit and LotR, which should be mentioned instead. -- Elphion (talk) 02:23, 30 October 2016 (UTC)