Talk:Gunner's mate

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Reference for old ratings[edit]

The page at [1] was compiled by Charles A. Malin and mentions the following regarding early ratings:

Armorer - In use in 1775; established 1797; disestablished 1884.
Boatswain's Mate - In use in 1775; established 1797. Pay grades 1c and 2c established 1893; pay grade 3c changed from Coxswain 1948.
Boy - Established 1797; changed to Boy 1c, 2c, and 3c 1864. Re-established as Boy 1884; disestablished 1893.
Carpenter's Mate - Established 1797; pay grades established 1893; changed to Damage Controlman 1948.
Cockswain - Established 1797; changed to Coxswain 1865.
Cook - Established 1797; changed to Ship's Cook 1838.
Cooper - Established 1797; disestablished 1884.
Gunner's Mate - Established 1797; pay grade C Established 1864; pay grades 1c, 2c, and 3c established 1893.
Master-at-Arms - Established 1797; disestablished 1921.
Master's Mate - Established 1797; disestablished 1813. Re-established 1838; disestablished 1865.
Midshipman - Established 1797.
Ordinary Seaman - Established 1797; changed to Seaman 2c 1917.
Quarter Gunner - Established 1797; disestablished 1893.
Sailmaker's Mate - Established 1797; changed to Sailmaker's Mate 1c, 2c, and 3c 1921; included in Boatswain's Mate or Coxswain 1939.
Seaman - Established 1797; changed to Seaman 1c and 2c 1921. Re-established from Seaman 1c and Bugler 1c 1948; Seaman 2c changed to Seaman Apprentice 1948.
Steward - Established 1797; changed to Ship's Steward 1838. Re-established from Officer's Steward 1c, 2c, and 3c 1943.
Yeoman of the Gunroom - Established 1797; disestablished 1813.

A couple of well known ratings with establishments later than 1797 include:

Able Seaman - Established 1798; disestablished 1864.
Quartermaster - Established 1798 (for Frigates); established 1813. Pay grade C established 1864; pay grades 1c, 2c, and 3c established 1893.

...from which the following claims are apparent: no rating was "established" before 1797. There are ratings, such as Armorer and Boatswain's Mate, that were "in use in 1775", but the page cited seems to support the claim made in this article that the ratings were first established in 1797. The claim in this article that GM, BM, and MA are the three old ratings dating back to 1797 is not supported since the source cited claims that Master-at-Arms was disestablished in 1921, hence no longer used (this seems doubtful). The wikipedia articles Master-at-arms and List of United States Navy ratings imply that the MA rating is still in use in the US Navy. 67.86.73.252 (talk) 19:47, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GMG/GMM?[edit]

Are the service ratings Gunner's Mate (Guns) and Guunner's Mate (Missiles) still in use? Solicitr (talk) 18:52, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]