Talk:HMS Endymion (1779)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Hog Farm (talk · contribs) 19:27, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

I will review this one sometime over the next few days. Hog Farm _Talk 19:27, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

• "When the American Revolutionary War began in 1776 " - the Revolutionary War began in 1775

• Fixed

• She was commissioned before she was launched?

• Yes, that's what the source records.

• "This brought the number of ships captured by Endymion in the West Indies to four" - do we have any detail for the other three?

• Assuming two are the ships are those taken after the 1780 hurricane, but no other detail.

• Carteret believed Endymion needed only minor repairs and yet she was running around with jury masts?

• Yes, sounds like he was quite optimistic!

• Source licensing looks fine
• You'll know more about this than I do - is the Lloyd's List Intelligence likely to be a reputable source for the claims of sailors breaking in to the liquor cabinet? Local papers from the time frame I work with most (1860s USA & CSA) often contain lurid tales of military incidents that aren't based much in reality

• While I can't bring them up straight away, it's not the only source to have mentioned it, and Lloyd's was usually accurate because of its connections to maritime insurance.

• That's fine then. Sounds much more reputable than say mid-1860s The Memphis Appeal secondhand reporting. Hog Farm _Talk 00:30, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Since I guess we're suppose to spot-check stuff on every GA review now: would you be willing to provide the brief quotes from the sources that support the following haphazardly selected statements:

• until the start of 1781 Endymion was thought in England to have been destroyed in the Great Hurricane

• Internet Archive isn't currently letting me access that page of the book so, um, no...

• No worries

• These were complemented by two 6-pounders on the forecastle; the quarterdeck was unarmed. The ship had a crew of 280 men, which was increased to 300 in 1783

• "Men: 280 (300 from 1783); 155 as troop ships. Guns: LD 20 x 18pdrs; UD 22 x 9pdrs (replaced by short 12pdrs in later ships); QD nil; Fc 2 x 6pdrs. As store ships, Dromedary had UD 22 x 9pdrs, QD 8 x 6pdrs; Camel UD 20 x 9pdrs, QD 4 x 6pdrs."

• The ship arrived at Nassau on 2 July

• "NASSAU July 2- This day the Endymion 44 gun ship, armed en flute, commanded by lieutenant Woofruff, and having on board the 47th regiment, arrived off this bar from Halifax."

Good work as usual. I'm always amazed that the British kept track of the dimensions to the half inch and the tonnage to the 94th of a ton while the Confederates had times they would purchase a civilian vessel for conversion and we don't even know what the original name of the vessel was, or when a ship was launched, or stuff like that. I guess the difference is that these vessels were expensive and built to last for decades, while the Confederates early in the war adopted the strategic vision of "hordes of floating junk". Hog Farm _Talk 04:10, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

• @Hog Farm: As Napoleon said, "a nation of shopkeepers"! Have replied above.

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