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GA Review

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I will be carrying out the GA review for Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallow and would welcome any comments/views from editors of this article. Please leave any feedback on this review page.--seahamlass 22:45, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]


First impressions

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This is obviously a well loved article, but although packed with information and plenty of interesting details, it is not up to GA standards just yet. With sufficient time, care and hard work, however, I'm sure it will make the grade.

I have set out a few general areas for action below, to help you start working towards your GA goal, and will place this review on hold for a week to give you time to start making the changes. After that, I'll take another look and, if progress has been made, will provide a further, and more detailed, list of what is needed next.

  • There are far too many un-cited statements, dates and figures at the moment, especially in the "Rowling's commentary and supplement" section. Please see WP:CITE/ES for help. I see that in a previous FAC discussion, the comment was made that: "Rowling's commentary and supplement" section could reasonably have the cleanup tag applied to it (i.e. converting list to prose)." However, it still remains a list, which is not encouraged at GA and/or FAC.
  • Most of the refs that are cited check out as OK, although "Publisher slams book on "Harry Potter" distributor [newsday.com]" and "Laminated Harry Potter Deathly Hallows 7 Snape Bookmark - [ebay.com]" are both showing up as dead. Some, however, seem to link to blogs and similar websites, which are not classed as WP reliable sources. For example, in the Translations section - which is talked about on the article talk page for plagiarism - one of the links appears to be some kind of blog/wiki/public review site: Harry Potter aur Maut Ke Tohfe - Hindi Verison of the Deathly Hallows Probably not acceptable, especially if you go to FA.
  • When this article was delisted as a GA last September, the following comment was made: "The plot summary is several kilobytes long. It's divided into SEVEN SUBSECTIONS. This is a gross violation of WP fiction guidelines." The plot summary, although now trimmed, is still rather long and still has seven sub-sections. This, obviously, needs tackling.
  • The lead needs to be expanded to conform with the guidelines at Wikipedia:Lead. For an article of this length, at least three lengthy paragraphs would be needed, to "adequately summarize the article."
  • The "Critical Reception" section seems rather limited. Although several book critics/newspapers are quoted, along with Stephen King, there is no general "overall view" of the reception the book received from fans and critics.

And a few technical issues...

  • Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (numbers), there should be a non-breaking space -   between a number and the unit of measurement. For example, instead of 6 metre, use 6 metre, which when you are editing the page, should look like: 6 metre.
  • Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (headings), headings generally should not start with "The". For example, if there was a section called ==The Biography==, it should be changed to ==Biography==.
  • Per WP:WIAFA, this article's table of contents (ToC) may be too long – consider shrinking it down by merging short sections or using a proper system of daughter pages as per Wikipedia:Summary style.

--seahamlass 16:37, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have a question in regards to the problem about 'The' in headings: Would this still apply to this article considering the only time 'the' is used is in regards to sub sections under the plot summaries? To take a heading like 'The final summer' and change it to 'final summer' seems a bit strange. Or, would it be more appropriate to just change the title altogether? ~ Bella Swan? 18:59, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If you could think of something different, that would be great. Although, "Final summer" doesn't sound too bad. To be honest, it is probably only at FA that you will get real black marks for this. There are more important things to change first anyway, like refs - and I can see you are doing that already. It would be great to get this HP article up to GA class, you have all the basics and it just needs a lot of lick and polish!--seahamlass 20:23, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Another question, I'm not sure I understand the issues that you brought up with the Wikipedia:Manual of Style (numbers), I haven't seen any references to any units of measurement in this article at all, am I missing something? ~ Bella Swan? 14:43, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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